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Ondo: Wikitext talk to Structured Discussions conversion

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Wikitext talk to Structured Discussions conversion

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Ondo: Ondo moved page Nonbinary Wiki:General discussion to Nonbinary Wiki:General discussion/Archive 1 without leaving a redirect: Conversion of wikitext talk to Structured Discussions from Nonbinary Wiki:General discussion

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Ondo moved page Nonbinary Wiki:General discussion to Nonbinary Wiki:General discussion/Archive 1 without leaving a redirect: Conversion of wikitext talk to Structured Discussions from Nonbinary Wiki:General discussion

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Structured Discussions

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	# Enabling Flow in all talk pages, including this one but not user talk pages (and only do so when requested by the user).		# Enabling Flow in all talk pages, including this one but not user talk pages (and only do so when requested by the user).
	# Enabling Flow in absolutely all talk pages.		# Enabling Flow in absolutely all talk pages.
	Let me know your thoughts! I'll ping some of the more active users, just in case you are not following this page: {{ping\|amazingakita\|Pod the Elder\|~~TxJ~~\|Bean3000}} --[[User:Ondo\|Ondo]] ([[User talk:Ondo\|talk]]) 20:35, 3 April 2020 (UTC)		Let me know your thoughts! I'll ping some of the more active users, just in case you are not following this page: {{ping\|amazingakita\|Pod the Elder\|TXJ\|Bean3000}} --[[User:Ondo\|Ondo]] ([[User talk:Ondo\|talk]]) 20:35, 3 April 2020 (UTC)

Ondo: /* Structured Discussions */ new section

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Structured Discussions: new section

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	Hi! There is a MediaWiki extension called Structured Discussions, previously known as Flow ([[mw:Extension:StructuredDiscussions\|more info]]). It makes talk pages more easy to use and intuitive, so unless someone is against having it here, I'll enable it in some days. If I remember correctly, it won't be enabled for any talk page by default, so I'll start by enabling it in the General discussion (and then, if anyone wants to have Flow in their talk pages, we can do that too).--[[User:Ondo\|Ondo]] ([[User talk:Ondo\|talk]]) 14:41, 4 May 2019 (UTC)		Hi! There is a MediaWiki extension called Structured Discussions, previously known as Flow ([[mw:Extension:StructuredDiscussions\|more info]]). It makes talk pages more easy to use and intuitive, so unless someone is against having it here, I'll enable it in some days. If I remember correctly, it won't be enabled for any talk page by default, so I'll start by enabling it in the General discussion (and then, if anyone wants to have Flow in their talk pages, we can do that too).--[[User:Ondo\|Ondo]] ([[User talk:Ondo\|talk]]) 14:41, 4 May 2019 (UTC)

			== Structured Discussions ==

			Hi all! I've been thinking lately on how to make talk pages easier to use, and today I have enabled the Structured Discussions (also called Flow) extension (without enabling it in any actual talk page, just for testing purposes). In short, it's an extension that turns talk pages into forum-like threads, they are easy to use and have a simplified version of the Visual Editor to make things simpler. It's not the ideal solution, but I think it's an improvement over the current system. You can see how it looks in this test page: [[User:Ondo/tests]] (feel free to play with this page all you want! I don't mind). This system can be enabled in all pages of a specific namespace (such as ''user talk:'') or in specific pages. If you like the idea of using this system, there are three options, I think:
			# Enabling Flow in this page only, and then in specific user talk pages when requested (administrators can enable it using [[Special:EnableStructuredDiscussions]].
			# Enabling Flow in all talk pages, including this one but not user talk pages (and only do so when requested by the user).
			# Enabling Flow in absolutely all talk pages.
			Let me know your thoughts! I'll ping some of the more active users, just in case you are not following this page: {{ping\|amazingakita\|Pod the Elder\|TxJ\|Bean3000}} --[[User:Ondo\|Ondo]] ([[User talk:Ondo\|talk]]) 20:35, 3 April 2020 (UTC)

Ondo: Reverted edits by 5.76.178.65 (talk) to last revision by Ondo

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Ondo: /* Structured Discussions */ new section

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	The policy has been approved: [[Nonbinary Wiki:Content Policy]].--[[User:Ondo\|Ondo]] ([[User talk:Ondo\|talk]]) 14:36, 4 May 2019 (UTC)		The policy has been approved: [[Nonbinary Wiki:Content Policy]].--[[User:Ondo\|Ondo]] ([[User talk:Ondo\|talk]]) 14:36, 4 May 2019 (UTC)

			== Structured Discussions ==

			Hi! There is a MediaWiki extension called Structured Discussions, previously known as Flow ([[mw:Extension:StructuredDiscussions\|more info]]). It makes talk pages more easy to use and intuitive, so unless someone is against having it here, I'll enable it in some days. If I remember correctly, it won't be enabled for any talk page by default, so I'll start by enabling it in the General discussion (and then, if anyone wants to have Flow in their talk pages, we can do that too).--[[User:Ondo\|Ondo]] ([[User talk:Ondo\|talk]]) 14:41, 4 May 2019 (UTC)

Ondo: /* Content Policy */

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Content Policy

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	::::: Yes, it does seem better suited for a code of conduct. And I think for the most part I agree with you. I still think something should be formalised just acknowledging that this is a complex issue and that by providing articles about especially marginalised communities we have a duty of care to them. I could go on but I don’t want to detract from the content policy, so I will follow up sometime later about adding something to the code of conduct. Thanks for putting the content policy together! It looks great! [[User:Falkirks\|Falkirks]] ([[User_talk:Falkirks\|talk]]) 15:03, 26 April 2019 (UTC)		::::: Yes, it does seem better suited for a code of conduct. And I think for the most part I agree with you. I still think something should be formalised just acknowledging that this is a complex issue and that by providing articles about especially marginalised communities we have a duty of care to them. I could go on but I don’t want to detract from the content policy, so I will follow up sometime later about adding something to the code of conduct. Thanks for putting the content policy together! It looks great! [[User:Falkirks\|Falkirks]] ([[User_talk:Falkirks\|talk]]) 15:03, 26 April 2019 (UTC)

			The policy has been approved: [[Nonbinary Wiki:Content Policy]].--[[User:Ondo\|Ondo]] ([[User talk:Ondo\|talk]]) 14:36, 4 May 2019 (UTC)

Falkirks: /* Content Policy */

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Content Policy

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	:::: {{ping\|Falkirks}} if I understand what you are saying, I don't completely agree with you here. Trustworthy sources should be our main reference, even if the individual experience of someone doesn't completely agree with them. Of course, feedback should be taken into account and if someone who has direct experience tells us it's wrong, then looking for new sources is strongly encouraged. But we shouldn't change an article without sources just because someone says so.		:::: {{ping\|Falkirks}} if I understand what you are saying, I don't completely agree with you here. Trustworthy sources should be our main reference, even if the individual experience of someone doesn't completely agree with them. Of course, feedback should be taken into account and if someone who has direct experience tells us it's wrong, then looking for new sources is strongly encouraged. But we shouldn't change an article without sources just because someone says so.
	:::: In any case, I'm not sure if that would fit the content policy though. Maybe it would be more adequate for a Code of Conduct? I'll ping Wiki Users again in the Discord for feedback on the policy and if no one disagrees, the policy will be approved. Pinging {{ping\|Sekhet}} what do you think? --[[User:Ondo\|Ondo]] ([[User talk:Ondo\|talk]]) 10:51, 26 April 2019 (UTC)		:::: In any case, I'm not sure if that would fit the content policy though. Maybe it would be more adequate for a Code of Conduct? I'll ping Wiki Users again in the Discord for feedback on the policy and if no one disagrees, the policy will be approved. Pinging {{ping\|Sekhet}} what do you think? --[[User:Ondo\|Ondo]] ([[User talk:Ondo\|talk]]) 10:51, 26 April 2019 (UTC)

			::::: Yes, it does seem better suited for a code of conduct. And I think for the most part I agree with you. I still think something should be formalised just acknowledging that this is a complex issue and that by providing articles about especially marginalised communities we have a duty of care to them. I could go on but I don’t want to detract from the content policy, so I will follow up sometime later about adding something to the code of conduct. Thanks for putting the content policy together! It looks great! [[User:Falkirks\|Falkirks]] ([[User_talk:Falkirks\|talk]]) 15:03, 26 April 2019 (UTC)

Ondo: /* Content Policy */

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	::: Perhaps its not a good fit for a content policy, but I feel like it should be written somewhere. I wanted it to point out that just because someone is non-binary doesn't make them qualified to write about everything in the wiki, we have a lot of content about non-western identities and non-English languages. And that as a policy someone who belongs to a specific group (eg: A two spirit person wanting to edit the article on two spirit people) shouldn't be edited over or argued with by people who are less connected to that identity. And even if our sources disagree with what they are saying, we should do our best to find new sources. I don't mean this to police anyone, just to make it clear to potential new editors that we want to support them. I will try to look at the other parts later today. [[User:Falkirks\|Falkirks]] ([[User_talk:Falkirks\|talk]]) 15:04, 16 April 2019 (UTC)		::: Perhaps its not a good fit for a content policy, but I feel like it should be written somewhere. I wanted it to point out that just because someone is non-binary doesn't make them qualified to write about everything in the wiki, we have a lot of content about non-western identities and non-English languages. And that as a policy someone who belongs to a specific group (eg: A two spirit person wanting to edit the article on two spirit people) shouldn't be edited over or argued with by people who are less connected to that identity. And even if our sources disagree with what they are saying, we should do our best to find new sources. I don't mean this to police anyone, just to make it clear to potential new editors that we want to support them. I will try to look at the other parts later today. [[User:Falkirks\|Falkirks]] ([[User_talk:Falkirks\|talk]]) 15:04, 16 April 2019 (UTC)

			:::: {{ping\|Falkirks}} if I understand what you are saying, I don't completely agree with you here. Trustworthy sources should be our main reference, even if the individual experience of someone doesn't completely agree with them. Of course, feedback should be taken into account and if someone who has direct experience tells us it's wrong, then looking for new sources is strongly encouraged. But we shouldn't change an article without sources just because someone says so.
			:::: In any case, I'm not sure if that would fit the content policy though. Maybe it would be more adequate for a Code of Conduct? I'll ping Wiki Users again in the Discord for feedback on the policy and if no one disagrees, the policy will be approved. Pinging {{ping\|Sekhet}} what do you think? --[[User:Ondo\|Ondo]] ([[User talk:Ondo\|talk]]) 10:51, 26 April 2019 (UTC)

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	:::: {{ping\|Falkirks}} if I understand what you are saying, I don't completely agree with you here. Trustworthy sources should be our main reference, even if the individual experience of someone doesn't completely agree with them. Of course, feedback should be taken into account and if someone who has direct experience tells us it's wrong, then looking for new sources is strongly encouraged. But we shouldn't change an article without sources just because someone says so.		:::: {{ping\|Falkirks}} if I understand what you are saying, I don't completely agree with you here. Trustworthy sources should be our main reference, even if the individual experience of someone doesn't completely agree with them. Of course, feedback should be taken into account and if someone who has direct experience tells us it's wrong, then looking for new sources is strongly encouraged. But we shouldn't change an article without sources just because someone says so.
	:::: In any case, I'm not sure if that would fit the content policy though. Maybe it would be more adequate for a Code of Conduct? I'll ping Wiki Users again in the Discord for feedback on the policy and if no one disagrees, the policy will be approved. Pinging {{ping\|Sekhet}} what do you think? --[[User:Ondo\|Ondo]] ([[User talk:Ondo\|talk]]) 10:51, 26 April 2019 (UTC)		:::: In any case, I'm not sure if that would fit the content policy though. Maybe it would be more adequate for a Code of Conduct? I'll ping Wiki Users again in the Discord for feedback on the policy and if no one disagrees, the policy will be approved. Pinging {{ping\|Sekhet}} what do you think? --[[User:Ondo\|Ondo]] ([[User talk:Ondo\|talk]]) 10:51, 26 April 2019 (UTC)

			::::: Yes, it does seem better suited for a code of conduct. And I think for the most part I agree with you. I still think something should be formalised just acknowledging that this is a complex issue and that by providing articles about especially marginalised communities we have a duty of care to them. I could go on but I don’t want to detract from the content policy, so I will follow up sometime later about adding something to the code of conduct. Thanks for putting the content policy together! It looks great! [[User:Falkirks\|Falkirks]] ([[User_talk:Falkirks\|talk]]) 15:03, 26 April 2019 (UTC)