Talk:Gender neutral titles - Revision history

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	do people use neutral titles if a gender is unknown, or do they just leave it out? yes, no title is a section here, but for the titles that are actual titles, are they used when a gender isn't known? [[User:Amazingakita\|Amazingakita]] ([[User talk:Amazingakita\|talk]]) 16:26, 31 August 2022 (UTC)		do people use neutral titles if a gender is unknown, or do they just leave it out? yes, no title is a section here, but for the titles that are actual titles, are they used when a gender isn't known? [[User:Amazingakita\|Amazingakita]] ([[User talk:Amazingakita\|talk]]) 16:26, 31 August 2022 (UTC)

			== Master / Mistress ==

			I found this page looking for a respectful alternative to master / mistress. Not necessarily in a formal context; I have seen Master (not sure of the abbreviation) used for boys / young men before they are considered old enough for Mr., not sure if this is archaic and also how to shorten it (Msr.?). My need was in the (boring) context webmistress / webmaster. Reading the article webMx. seems like it should be a popular choice but I'd need to spell it out fully and am lost to a good suggestion. Any help appreciated (and I hope this is an appropriate place to air this).

Amazingakita: /* "or if the gender is currently unknown." */ new section

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	:hey! we don't coin terms here, however I can see tiz has been in use since before 2016 (more research ongoing). it seems to have been invented as a replacement for sir/ma'am (e.g. hello sir/ma'am/tiz), and I imagine the reason it isn't zen is because - as you state - zen already has a definition. or because the person proposing it liked tiz more. i can't give more concrete information right now, but if you find anything in your own searching, please share it with us!		:hey! we don't coin terms here, however I can see tiz has been in use since before 2016 (more research ongoing). it seems to have been invented as a replacement for sir/ma'am (e.g. hello sir/ma'am/tiz), and I imagine the reason it isn't zen is because - as you state - zen already has a definition. or because the person proposing it liked tiz more. i can't give more concrete information right now, but if you find anything in your own searching, please share it with us!
	: - [[User:Amazingakita\|Amazingakita]] ([[User talk:Amazingakita\|talk]]) 12:38, 19 August 2021 (UTC)		: - [[User:Amazingakita\|Amazingakita]] ([[User talk:Amazingakita\|talk]]) 12:38, 19 August 2021 (UTC)

			== "or if the gender is currently unknown." ==

			do people use neutral titles if a gender is unknown, or do they just leave it out? yes, no title is a section here, but for the titles that are actual titles, are they used when a gender isn't known? [[User:Amazingakita\|Amazingakita]] ([[User talk:Amazingakita\|talk]]) 16:26, 31 August 2022 (UTC)

Amazingakita: /* Where did "Tiz" derive from and why isn't it "Zen"? */

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Where did "Tiz" derive from and why isn't it "Zen"?

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	"Zen" already has a definition but "zun" or even "zin" are more open.		"Zen" already has a definition but "zun" or even "zin" are more open.
	I would much appreciate being referred to as "Zin Smith". It has a formal and pleasant sound to it but some people have shortened Zinfadel wines to Zins (that meaning is collapsed among very few wine drinker and can be pushed back against). I could easily get used to hearing "Zun Smith" or just "Zun" when being greeted. It could be a neutral verion "hun" and still derive from citizen. [[Special:Contributions/174.86.237.161\|174.86.237.161]] 10:04, 19 August 2021 (UTC)		I would much appreciate being referred to as "Zin Smith". It has a formal and pleasant sound to it but some people have shortened Zinfadel wines to Zins (that meaning is collapsed among very few wine drinker and can be pushed back against). I could easily get used to hearing "Zun Smith" or just "Zun" when being greeted. It could be a neutral verion "hun" and still derive from citizen. [[Special:Contributions/174.86.237.161\|174.86.237.161]] 10:04, 19 August 2021 (UTC)

			:hey! we don't coin terms here, however I can see tiz has been in use since before 2016 (more research ongoing). it seems to have been invented as a replacement for sir/ma'am (e.g. hello sir/ma'am/tiz), and I imagine the reason it isn't zen is because - as you state - zen already has a definition. or because the person proposing it liked tiz more. i can't give more concrete information right now, but if you find anything in your own searching, please share it with us!
			: - [[User:Amazingakita\|Amazingakita]] ([[User talk:Amazingakita\|talk]]) 12:38, 19 August 2021 (UTC)

174.86.237.161: /* Where did "Tiz" derive from and why isn't it "Zen" */

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Where did "Tiz" derive from and why isn't it "Zen"

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	Does anyone have any feelings on a popularity threshold for these? The list is short so it's not a huge deal, but on the old wiki we required evidence that words were used by more than a small handful of people in order to list them, especially on the pronouns pages. Maybe it's something to discuss in case the title list here gets much longer? --'''[[User:Cassolotl\|<span style="color:#008000">Cassolotl</span>]]''' ''<small>([[User_Talk:Cassolotl\|talk]]) <span style="color:#808080">pronouns: they/them</span></small>'' 14:02, 19 August 2017 (UTC)		Does anyone have any feelings on a popularity threshold for these? The list is short so it's not a huge deal, but on the old wiki we required evidence that words were used by more than a small handful of people in order to list them, especially on the pronouns pages. Maybe it's something to discuss in case the title list here gets much longer? --'''[[User:Cassolotl\|<span style="color:#008000">Cassolotl</span>]]''' ''<small>([[User_Talk:Cassolotl\|talk]]) <span style="color:#808080">pronouns: they/them</span></small>'' 14:02, 19 August 2017 (UTC)

	== Where did "Tiz" derive from and why isn't it "Zen" ==		== Where did "Tiz" derive from and why isn't it "Zen"? ==

	Citizen is usually pronounced "sit uh zuhn".		Citizen is usually pronounced "sit uh zuhn".
	"Zen" already has a definition but "zun" or even "zin" are more open.		"Zen" already has a definition but "zun" or even "zin" are more open.
	I would much appreciate being referred to as "Zin Smith". It has a formal and pleasant sound to it but some people have shortened Zinfadel wines to Zins (that meaning is collapsed among very few wine drinker and can be pushed back against). I could easily get used to hearing "Zun Smith" or just "Zun" when being greeted. It could be a neutral verion "hun" and still derive from citizen. [[Special:Contributions/174.86.237.161\|174.86.237.161]] 10:04, 19 August 2021 (UTC)		I would much appreciate being referred to as "Zin Smith". It has a formal and pleasant sound to it but some people have shortened Zinfadel wines to Zins (that meaning is collapsed among very few wine drinker and can be pushed back against). I could easily get used to hearing "Zun Smith" or just "Zun" when being greeted. It could be a neutral verion "hun" and still derive from citizen. [[Special:Contributions/174.86.237.161\|174.86.237.161]] 10:04, 19 August 2021 (UTC)

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	Does anyone have any feelings on a popularity threshold for these? The list is short so it's not a huge deal, but on the old wiki we required evidence that words were used by more than a small handful of people in order to list them, especially on the pronouns pages. Maybe it's something to discuss in case the title list here gets much longer? --'''[[User:Cassolotl\|<span style="color:#008000">Cassolotl</span>]]''' ''<small>([[User_Talk:Cassolotl\|talk]]) <span style="color:#808080">pronouns: they/them</span></small>'' 14:02, 19 August 2017 (UTC)		Does anyone have any feelings on a popularity threshold for these? The list is short so it's not a huge deal, but on the old wiki we required evidence that words were used by more than a small handful of people in order to list them, especially on the pronouns pages. Maybe it's something to discuss in case the title list here gets much longer? --'''[[User:Cassolotl\|<span style="color:#008000">Cassolotl</span>]]''' ''<small>([[User_Talk:Cassolotl\|talk]]) <span style="color:#808080">pronouns: they/them</span></small>'' 14:02, 19 August 2017 (UTC)

			== Where did "Tiz" derive from and why isn't it "Zen" ==

			Citizen is usually pronounced "sit uh zuhn".
			"Zen" already has a definition but "zun" or even "zin" are more open.
			I would much appreciate being referred to as "Zin Smith". It has a formal and pleasant sound to it but some people have shortened Zinfadel wines to Zins (that meaning is collapsed among very few wine drinker and can be pushed back against). I could easily get used to hearing "Zun Smith" or just "Zun" when being greeted. It could be a neutral verion "hun" and still derive from citizen. [[Special:Contributions/174.86.237.161\|174.86.237.161]] 10:04, 19 August 2021 (UTC)

imported>Cassolotl: /* Tidying up post-transfer */ new section

2017-08-19T14:02:08Z

Tidying up post-transfer: new section

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== Tidying up post-transfer ==

Yay, I'm glad this page made it over from the old nonbinary wiki! :) I'm gonna go through and add up-to-date info from the [http://nonbinarystats.tumblr.com/post/160656902130/nbgq-survey-2017-the-worldwide-results Nonbinary Stats 2017 survey] for how much each of these are used.

Does anyone have any feelings on a popularity threshold for these? The list is short so it's not a huge deal, but on the old wiki we required evidence that words were used by more than a small handful of people in order to list them, especially on the pronouns pages. Maybe it's something to discuss in case the title list here gets much longer? --'''[[User:Cassolotl|Cassolotl]]''' ''([[User_Talk:Cassolotl|talk]]) pronouns: they/them'' 14:02, 19 August 2017 (UTC)