Talk:Nonbinary gender in fiction - Revision history

Lioxly: im a bit dumb ok

2025-09-28T00:34:18Z

im a bit dumb ok

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	== What about characters that just use gender neutral pronouns? ==		== What about characters that just use gender neutral pronouns? ==

	a character in a ''different'' game I like is referred to in canon with [[singular they\|they/them pronouns,]] but does not (as far as I know) have any content related to their gender outside of that. Do I still add them to the list in the first section (ik ~~they dont fit into the others because~~ they aren't a fictional biological gender, they ''are'' human~~, and '''only''' use they/them pronouns~~)		a character in a ''different'' game I like is referred to in canon with [[singular they\|they/them pronouns,]] but does not (as far as I know) have any content related to their gender outside of that. Do I still add them to the list in the first section (ik they aren't a fictional biological gender, they ''are'' human)

Lioxly: /* What about characters that just use gender neutral pronouns? */ new section

2025-09-28T00:31:36Z

What about characters that just use gender neutral pronouns?: new section

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	Sorry if it's chaotic, I don't really remember all of the books fully		Sorry if it's chaotic, I don't really remember all of the books fully
	--[[User:RandomDragonBookNerd\|RandomDragonBookNerd]] ([[User talk:RandomDragonBookNerd\|talk]]) 11:07, 9 March 2022 (UTC)		--[[User:RandomDragonBookNerd\|RandomDragonBookNerd]] ([[User talk:RandomDragonBookNerd\|talk]]) 11:07, 9 March 2022 (UTC)

			== What about characters that just use gender neutral pronouns? ==

			a character in a ''different'' game I like is referred to in canon with [[singular they\|they/them pronouns,]] but does not (as far as I know) have any content related to their gender outside of that. Do I still add them to the list in the first section (ik they dont fit into the others because they aren't a fictional biological gender, they ''are'' human, and '''only''' use they/them pronouns)

imported>RandomDragonBookNerd: suggested adding some more books, probably messed up my signature cause I just copied how it was done for other comments

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suggested adding some more books, probably messed up my signature cause I just copied how it was done for other comments

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	:Agreed, this should be in the fictional section. --[[User:Ondo\|Ondo]] ([[User talk:Ondo\|talk]]) 15:21, 5 April 2021 (UTC)		:Agreed, this should be in the fictional section. --[[User:Ondo\|Ondo]] ([[User talk:Ondo\|talk]]) 15:21, 5 April 2021 (UTC)

			== Some more books with nonbinary characters ==

			I just saw this page and wanted to contribute but also this is my first time doing any wiki-editing so uh here's some books

			Mask of Shadows (and sequel Ruin of Stars) by Linsey Miller - main character Sal is genderfluid
			Pet by Akwaeke Emezi - one of main character's parents uses they/them and neutral language
			The Mermaid, the Witch, and the Sea by Maggie Tokuda-Hall - main character Flora/Florian is genderfluid and Pirate Supreme uses they/them
			Catfishing on CatNet (and sequel Chaos on CatNet) by Naomi Kritzer - AI CheshireCat uses she/her, he/him, and they/them in different places (different pronouns for multiple online identities) and one of the other characters whose name I forgot was specifically referred to as nonbinary and uses they/them
			Can't take that away by Steven Salvatore - main character Carey is genderqueer and switches between pronouns
			Ink in the blood by Kim Smejkal - a bunch of nonbinary side characters, also everybody has a magic-glowy-light-thing that is their gender and shows pronouns
			The Circus Rose by Betsy Cornwell - love interest is nonbinary, although it's the species, uses fe/fer pronouns
			In the Vanisher's Palace by Aliette de Bodard - one of the characters uses they/them

			Sorry if it's chaotic, I don't really remember all of the books fully
			--[[User:RandomDragonBookNerd\|RandomDragonBookNerd]] ([[User talk:RandomDragonBookNerd\|talk]]) 11:07, 9 March 2022 (UTC)

Ondo: /* the book "Ice Song" */

2021-04-05T15:21:59Z

the book "Ice Song"

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	Sorykah's infant twins, Leander and Ayeda, have inherited their mother's Trader genes. When a wealthy, reclusive madman known as the Collector abducts the babies to use in his dreadful experiments, Sorykah and her male alter-ego, Soryk, must cross icy wastes and a primeval forest to get them back. Complicating the dangerous journey is the fact that Sorykah and Soryk do not share memories: Each disorienting transformation is like awakening with a jolt from a deep and dreamless sleep.}}		Sorykah's infant twins, Leander and Ayeda, have inherited their mother's Trader genes. When a wealthy, reclusive madman known as the Collector abducts the babies to use in his dreadful experiments, Sorykah and her male alter-ego, Soryk, must cross icy wastes and a primeval forest to get them back. Complicating the dangerous journey is the fact that Sorykah and Soryk do not share memories: Each disorienting transformation is like awakening with a jolt from a deep and dreamless sleep.}}
	--[[User:TXJ\|TXJ]] ([[User talk:TXJ\|talk]]) 14:57, 5 April 2021 (UTC)		--[[User:TXJ\|TXJ]] ([[User talk:TXJ\|talk]]) 14:57, 5 April 2021 (UTC)
			:Agreed, this should be in the fictional section. --[[User:Ondo\|Ondo]] ([[User talk:Ondo\|talk]]) 15:21, 5 April 2021 (UTC)

imported>TXJ: /* the book "Ice Song" */ new section

2021-04-05T14:57:42Z

the book "Ice Song": new section

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	::{{ping\|Bean3000}} of course, go ahead! Old version of pages are always saved, so we can always go back to the current version if we don't like it. --[[User:Ondo\|Ondo]] ([[User talk:Ondo\|talk]]) 09:45, 5 April 2020 (UTC)		::{{ping\|Bean3000}} of course, go ahead! Old version of pages are always saved, so we can always go back to the current version if we don't like it. --[[User:Ondo\|Ondo]] ([[User talk:Ondo\|talk]]) 09:45, 5 April 2020 (UTC)

			== the book "Ice Song" ==

			From the book description and reviews of ''Ice Song'' (by Kirsten Imani Kasai), I'm not 100% sure if this would fall under the main nonbinary characters section or the "Fictional sexes" section. It definitely seems to be on more the fantasy side.
			{{quote\|Sorykah Minuit is a scholar, an engineer, and the sole woman aboard an ice-drilling submarine in the frozen land of the Sigue. What no one knows is that she is also a Trader: one who can switch genders suddenly, a rare corporeal deviance universally met with fascination and superstition and all too often punished by harassment or death.

			Sorykah's infant twins, Leander and Ayeda, have inherited their mother's Trader genes. When a wealthy, reclusive madman known as the Collector abducts the babies to use in his dreadful experiments, Sorykah and her male alter-ego, Soryk, must cross icy wastes and a primeval forest to get them back. Complicating the dangerous journey is the fact that Sorykah and Soryk do not share memories: Each disorienting transformation is like awakening with a jolt from a deep and dreamless sleep.}}
			--[[User:TXJ\|TXJ]] ([[User talk:TXJ\|talk]]) 14:57, 5 April 2021 (UTC)

Ondo: /* More organization */ whoops forgot my signature

2020-04-05T09:45:10Z

More organization: whoops forgot my signature

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	: {{ping\|Ondo}} I agree with all the things you suggested. Would it be okay to test this table system out with just the animation section? This way, we can see what it would look like before we spent time changing the entire page.--[[User:Bean3000\|Bean3000]] ([[User talk:Bean3000\|talk]]) 08:54, 5 April 2020 (UTC)		: {{ping\|Ondo}} I agree with all the things you suggested. Would it be okay to test this table system out with just the animation section? This way, we can see what it would look like before we spent time changing the entire page.--[[User:Bean3000\|Bean3000]] ([[User talk:Bean3000\|talk]]) 08:54, 5 April 2020 (UTC)

	::{{ping\|Bean3000}} of course, go ahead! Old version of pages are always saved, so we can always go back to the current version if we don't like it.		::{{ping\|Bean3000}} of course, go ahead! Old version of pages are always saved, so we can always go back to the current version if we don't like it. --[[User:Ondo\|Ondo]] ([[User talk:Ondo\|talk]]) 09:45, 5 April 2020 (UTC)

Ondo: /* More organization */

2020-04-05T09:41:41Z

More organization

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	: {{ping\|Ondo}} I agree with all the things you suggested. Would it be okay to test this table system out with just the animation section? This way, we can see what it would look like before we spent time changing the entire page.--[[User:Bean3000\|Bean3000]] ([[User talk:Bean3000\|talk]]) 08:54, 5 April 2020 (UTC)		: {{ping\|Ondo}} I agree with all the things you suggested. Would it be okay to test this table system out with just the animation section? This way, we can see what it would look like before we spent time changing the entire page.--[[User:Bean3000\|Bean3000]] ([[User talk:Bean3000\|talk]]) 08:54, 5 April 2020 (UTC)

			::{{ping\|Bean3000}} of course, go ahead! Old version of pages are always saved, so we can always go back to the current version if we don't like it.

imported>Bean3000: /* More organization */

2020-04-05T08:54:44Z

More organization

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	:* "Fun Enby Fact": I would just say "Notes", it's more neutral and more generic (and doesn't use ''enby'', which would exclude any other gender-variant-related stuff that is not specifically nonbinary).		:* "Fun Enby Fact": I would just say "Notes", it's more neutral and more generic (and doesn't use ''enby'', which would exclude any other gender-variant-related stuff that is not specifically nonbinary).
	: Let me know what you think! I'll share a link to this thread on the Discord channel so maybe we can get more opinions. Thanks for bringing it up! --[[User:Ondo\|Ondo]] ([[User talk:Ondo\|talk]]) 10:11, 2 April 2020 (UTC)		: Let me know what you think! I'll share a link to this thread on the Discord channel so maybe we can get more opinions. Thanks for bringing it up! --[[User:Ondo\|Ondo]] ([[User talk:Ondo\|talk]]) 10:11, 2 April 2020 (UTC)

			: {{ping\|Ondo}} I agree with all the things you suggested. Would it be okay to test this table system out with just the animation section? This way, we can see what it would look like before we spent time changing the entire page.--[[User:Bean3000\|Bean3000]] ([[User talk:Bean3000\|talk]]) 08:54, 5 April 2020 (UTC)

Ondo: /* More organization */

2020-04-02T10:11:41Z

More organization

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	--[[User:Bean3000\|Bean3000]] ([[User talk:Bean3000\|talk]]) 11:09, 01 April 2020 (UTC)		--[[User:Bean3000\|Bean3000]] ([[User talk:Bean3000\|talk]]) 11:09, 01 April 2020 (UTC)

			:Yes, this page is in need of some organization, definitely. A table is a good idea, especially since wiki table and be sorted by any of the columns, so looking up specific genres, for example, would be very easy. I'm ok with all the categories you suggest, some comments:
			:* Content Warnings: we should probably define what constitutes a content warning and write it down as a wiki policy. We have other pages with CW notices (e.g. [[binding]]) but we don't actually have a list of all content that needs to be CW'd. This is of course something that affects the wiki as a whole, but I thought I'd mention it since it's very subjective.
			:* "Fun Enby Fact": I would just say "Notes", it's more neutral and more generic (and doesn't use ''enby'', which would exclude any other gender-variant-related stuff that is not specifically nonbinary).
			: Let me know what you think! I'll share a link to this thread on the Discord channel so maybe we can get more opinions. Thanks for bringing it up! --[[User:Ondo\|Ondo]] ([[User talk:Ondo\|talk]]) 10:11, 2 April 2020 (UTC)

imported>Bean3000: /* More organization */

2020-04-02T05:03:17Z

More organization

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	Examples of categories:		Examples of categories:

	- Author(s), and their genders if known (would make it easy to compare how enbies are written by different genders) and would make it easy for people to read own voices if they wanted to.		* Artist/Author/Director(s), and their genders if known (would make it easy to compare how enbies are written by different genders) and would make it easy for people to read own voices if they wanted to.
	- Published date or starting date for ongoing series		* Published date or starting date for ongoing series
	- Title		* Title
	- Publishing company (make it easier for enbies to find enby friendly publishers)		* Publishing company (make it easier for enbies to find enby friendly publishers)
	~~- Genre~~(s)		* genre(s)
	- Content Warnings (if a particular work has content some people would want to avoid like sexual assault, making it so it's easy to avoid wouldn't hurt. Also good for seeing what type of content is being made with enby characters. For example, fridging can often be used with women and someone could see if enbies go through something similar, etc etc.		* Content Warnings (if a particular work has content some people would want to avoid like sexual assault, making it so it's easy to avoid wouldn't hurt. Also good for seeing what type of content is being made with enby characters. For example, fridging can often be used with women and someone could see if enbies go through something similar, etc etc.
	~~- which~~ character is canonically nonbinary. maybe even stating if they are a protagonist or a side character.		* Which character is canonically nonbinary. maybe even stating if they are a protagonist or a side character.
			* Fun Enby Facts, additional things which relate to enbies. For example, a nonbinary movie character is also played by an enby like in John Wick 3.

	--[[User:Bean3000\|Bean3000]] ([[User talk:Bean3000\|talk]]) 11:09, 01 April 2020 (UTC)		--[[User:Bean3000\|Bean3000]] ([[User talk:Bean3000\|talk]]) 11:09, 01 April 2020 (UTC)