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92.0.115.80 (talkcontribs)

Most Western societies are biased towards masculinity, regardless of who it comes from. This is why tomboys are generally applauded whilst feminine boys are more likely to be isolated and bullied (please note that this is a generalisation, not a dismissal of your personal experience of gender roles).This is the main reason for trans misogyny and 'afab privilege'. Obviously trans-friendly places often try to compensate for this. As an agender teenager who falls on the feminine side of androgyny, I've noticed that many trans and nonbinary focused groups such as Tumblr and the Nonbinary Wiki seem to be slightly biased towards femmes. There are a disproportionate amount of positivity posts towards ɡender-nonconforminɡ trans boys and all trans ɡirl posts seem to assume a stereotypical 'wants to be a princess story'. ɪ'm obviously not a professional but if any butch enbies on the Wiki have noticed anything like this I think it would be at least an interesting discussion point.

Ondo (talkcontribs)

Hi! Thanks for sharing your thoughts. The wiki is edited by volunteers who choose their topics of interest, so biases are (unfortunately) expected. You can see an example of this in the article hormone therapy, which I recently wrote but could really complete the section relevant to transmasculine people. Hormone therapy is generally a topic that is not of my interest, and researching about transmasculine transition was outright boring to me (I'm AMAB, although not really feminine). This happens with many articles, and it's an issue with being a project 100% written by volunteers.

That being said, do you have any suggestions for improvement? We can't completely fix this issue, but I'm sure that we can definitely improve. And I'm open to all feedback! :)

Feel free to join our Discord server too (and, if you prefer to keep the discussion here, I recommend you create an account, so that we can better identify your messages!)

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92.0.115.80 (talkcontribs)

OP here, Wow! That was a quick response. I think you may have misunderstood the problem I was referring to. It's less a matter of bias towards the transfeminine, as it is towards the trans* who happen to be feminine. I.e. it is a matter of presentation rather than identity. I.e. the bias is towards feminine trans guys feminine trans girls and women, feminine enbies... Clearly it's not the biggest problem facing the nonbinary community, it's not even the biggest problem coming from within the nonbinary community but it is still something that should probably be recognised. The only example that comes to mind right now is there being separate flags for femme transmasc and butch transmasc whilst every variation of trans girl/woman I've seen contains pink. I know that it is unrealistic to expect this to disappear overnight but like I said before; it's something that could stand to be more widely recognised as a thing and at the very least it could be an interesting discussion point.

Ondo (talkcontribs)

Oh, yes, I get it, you're talking about the stereotypical nonbinary person. We can't do anything on the wiki other than making sure that the articles about presentation cover all sides equally. We just take the information out there and put it here, so if flags have pink, then they will have pink here too, and there's nothing we can do about it!

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