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 : I agree, I like the idea of putting the stub template at the bottom, because it looks tidier that way. Personally, I consider an article a stub if it's less than two screens long when viewed on a desktop, OR if most of its headings only have a couple sentences under them. -[[User:Sekhet|Sekhet]] ([[User talk:Sekhet|talk]]) 15:18, 26 February 2019 (UTC)
+: I think that the stub template is more to encourage participation, not for a purely informative purpose. I do however agree with the qualifications for being a stub. [[User:MorningSparrow|MorningSparrow]] ([[User talk:MorningSparrow|talk]]) 23:15, 15 April 2019 (UTC)
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 {{ping|Ondo}} May we please have the [https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Labeled_Section_Transclusion MediaWiki extension for transcluding sections]? This would be useful for something I'd like to do with the articles listing neutral names. If we have this extension, then I'll be able to create articles such as "List of neutral Hebrew names" and "List of neutral names about nature," and then use transclusion of sections to make an appropriate selection of names from the alphabetical name lists appear in these other articles as well, without having to manually duplicate each name entry in multiple places. If you find a different process for automatically accomplishing this, which would be more efficient than this particular extension, then I'd appreciate it as well. Otherwise, so far it appears that this extension is the most appropriate for this task. -[[User:Sekhet|Sekhet]] ([[User talk:Sekhet|talk]]) 04:02, 15 April 2019 (UTC)
 :{{ping|Sekhet}} done! Do you have access to [[Special:ManageWiki]]? I don't know if it's administrator or bureaucrat-only (in any case, it's good to ping each other if we want to enable new extensions). --[[User:Ondo|Ondo]] ([[User talk:Ondo|talk]]) 14:30, 15 April 2019 (UTC)
+::{{ping|Ondo}} Thank you! I don't have access to that special page. --[[User:Sekhet|Sekhet]] ([[User talk:Sekhet|talk]]) 20:09, 15 April 2019 (UTC)
+== Content Policy ==
+Hello,
+As the wiki grows in both content and community, I think it's time to put some basic policies in place. I think that keeping it simple is important, but having nothing can also be counterproductive. This is why I have written a Content Policy draft that you can read in [[User:Ondo/Content Policy draft]]. Feel free to edit it, but reply here before making any major changes.
+Let me know if you agree or not, and any suggestions or comments you might have. Thank you, --[[User:Ondo|Ondo]] ([[User talk:Ondo|talk]]) 16:10, 15 April 2019 (UTC)
+: This looks great! The only thing that’s missing that I would love is a statement acknowledging the intersectionality of these issues and that we will always prioritise the lived experience of groups at these intersections of oppression (ie: people of colour and two spirit). We’ve had some people recently fixing up content for non-English languages that we are not experts in, and we should make it clear that their knowledge is more valuable to us than our potentially outdated source material. [[User:Falkirks|Falkirks]] ([[User_talk:Falkirks|talk]]) 22:52, 15 April 2019 (UTC)
+:: {{ping|Falkirks}} I'm not sure I understand what you mean with that. Could you re-phrase? Or even better, you can add it to the draft directly! :) Also, the page has a couple of '''[BOLD]''' parts that need to be discussed. Do you have any ideas for them? --[[User:Ondo|Ondo]] ([[User talk:Ondo|talk]]) 14:49, 16 April 2019 (UTC)
+::: Perhaps its not a good fit for a content policy, but I feel like it should be written somewhere. I wanted it to point out that just because someone is non-binary doesn't make them qualified to write about everything in the wiki, we have a lot of content about non-western identities and non-English languages. And that as a policy someone who belongs to a specific group (eg: A two spirit person wanting to edit the article on two spirit people) shouldn't be edited over or argued with by people who are less connected to that identity. And even if our sources disagree with what they are saying, we should do our best to find new sources. I don't mean this to police anyone, just to make it clear to potential new editors that we want to support them. I will try to look at the other parts later today. [[User:Falkirks|Falkirks]] ([[User_talk:Falkirks|talk]]) 15:04, 16 April 2019 (UTC)
+:::: {{ping|Falkirks}} if I understand what you are saying, I don't completely agree with you here. Trustworthy sources should be our main reference, even if the individual experience of someone doesn't completely agree with them. Of course, feedback should be taken into account and if someone who has direct experience tells us it's wrong, then looking for new sources is strongly encouraged. But we shouldn't change an article without sources just because someone says so.
+:::: In any case, I'm not sure if that would fit the content policy though. Maybe it would be more adequate for a Code of Conduct? I'll ping Wiki Users again in the Discord for feedback on the policy and if no one disagrees, the policy will be approved. Pinging {{ping|Sekhet}} what do you think? --[[User:Ondo|Ondo]] ([[User talk:Ondo|talk]]) 10:51, 26 April 2019 (UTC)
+::::: Yes, it does seem better suited for a code of conduct. And I think for the most part I agree with you. I still think something should be formalised just acknowledging that this is a complex issue and that by providing articles about especially marginalised communities we have a duty of care to them. I could go on but I don’t want to detract from the content policy, so I will follow up sometime later about adding something to the code of conduct. Thanks for putting the content policy together! It looks great!  [[User:Falkirks|Falkirks]] ([[User_talk:Falkirks|talk]]) 15:03, 26 April 2019 (UTC)
+The policy has been approved: [[Nonbinary Wiki:Content Policy]].--[[User:Ondo|Ondo]] ([[User talk:Ondo|talk]]) 14:36, 4 May 2019 (UTC)
+== Structured Discussions ==
+Hi! There is a MediaWiki extension called Structured Discussions, previously known as Flow ([[mw:Extension:StructuredDiscussions|more info]]). It makes talk pages more easy to use and intuitive, so unless someone is against having it here, I'll enable it in some days. If I remember correctly, it won't be enabled for any talk page by default, so I'll start by enabling it in the General discussion (and then, if anyone wants to have Flow in their talk pages, we can do that too).--[[User:Ondo|Ondo]] ([[User talk:Ondo|talk]]) 14:41, 4 May 2019 (UTC)
+== Structured Discussions ==
+Hi all! I've been thinking lately on how to make talk pages easier to use, and today I have enabled the Structured Discussions (also called Flow) extension (without enabling it in any actual talk page, just for testing purposes). In short, it's an extension that turns talk pages into forum-like threads, they are easy to use and have a simplified version of the Visual Editor to make things simpler. It's not the ideal solution, but I think it's an improvement over the current system. You can see how it looks in this test page: [[User:Ondo/tests]] (feel free to play with this page all you want! I don't mind). This system can be enabled in all pages of a specific namespace (such as ''user talk:'') or in specific pages. If you like the idea of using this system, there are three options, I think:
+# Enabling Flow in this page only, and then in specific user talk pages when requested (administrators can enable it using [[Special:EnableStructuredDiscussions]].
+# Enabling Flow in all talk pages, including this one but not user talk pages (and only do so when requested by the user).
+# Enabling Flow in absolutely all talk pages.
+Let me know your thoughts! I'll ping some of the more active users, just in case you are not following this page: {{ping|amazingakita|Pod the Elder|TXJ|Bean3000}} --[[User:Ondo|Ondo]] ([[User talk:Ondo|talk]]) 20:35, 3 April 2020 (UTC)