Front page is confusing!
Hello. :) I'm thinking the front page is not very introductory - it doesn't suck you into a wiki rabbit hole like every wiki should! It needs more links to other pages and sections. I think perhaps a link to Special:WantedPages and maybe Category:Nonbinary identities might be a good start? --Cassolotl (talk) 01:36, 20 March 2017 (UTC)
I also just created style guide, which should probably be somewhere obvious, unless folks want to wait until it's a bit more fleshed out? --Cassolotl (talk) 02:03, 20 March 2017 (UTC)
- Cassolotl: I started making a nicer design for the main page here, using the color scheme of the non-binary flag. I have incorporated your changes there, tell me what do you think! There's just one thing I don't like: new users or casual visitors don't need a list of templates. Templates are just maintenance stuff, that can attract potential editors, but they shouldn't be in the main page. --NeoMahler (talk) 15:27, 20 March 2017 (UTC)
Keeping sexist language out
I know it can help new binary allies to say "both", but it contradicts the rest of the sentence by suggesting that there are only two genders. I think this could be viewed as sexist, even if the writer had good intentions.
- @Otvm: thanks for pointing out! I have rewritten the sentence, tell me what do you think about it now (I have also removed the contradiction of "their gender can be neither"). I just added "both binary genders", because while it's true that there are more genders, there are just two binary genders. --NeoMahler (talk) 23:58, 16 December 2017 (UTC)
Featured Article
I think it would be helpful to give a small label showing which page the article is describing. It is slightly odd to be suddenly thrown into a description without first knowing what is being described. I have provided a possibility below. --Otvm (talk) 00:29, 1 January 2018 (UTC)
Nonbinary Identities Worldwide
From ancient history to the present, many cultures around the world that have established gender-variant identities worldwide, some of which are accepted as an essential part of their societies. These are the gender identities and roles that Western anthropologists have called third gender, because they are different than the Western gender binary idea of cisgender, heterosexual, masculine men and feminine women. Identities that have been called "third gender" are often transgender and nonbinary, and the "third gender" label pushes that interpretation. However, many of the identities that anthropologists call third gender are not nonbinary identities. This is part of why "third gender" is a problematic colonialist label. It can also be colonialist and problematic to call these identities by outside labels such as "transgender" and "nonbinary," in cases where the people in question haven't said that they would call themselves by those words.
- @Otvm: that's right. Normally, the introductory paragraph already contains the title of the article (i.e. Binding refers to a variety of methods that...). Maybe the article name could be added in the section title? Like the example below. The yellow link at the bottom already takes to the page, so no need to have it linked in the title. What do you think? --NeoMahler (talk) 16:27, 2 January 2018 (UTC)
- @NeoMahler: That looks less confusing. I think it would be a better alternative to leaving it blank, and it looks somewhat less strange than the little thing in the corner. The only problem is title automation. Would we create separate pages under the featured article pages which contain only the title, or would we change it each month by editing it? Is there any other alternative?
- @Otvm: sorry for the late answer. Do you have any experience with the
{{#switch:}}syntax? Maybe we could use it to change the title based on the{{CURRENTMONTH}}output (although that would mean that, if we ever change the featured articles, we should change the code here to). --NeoMahler (talk) 20:34, 4 January 2018 (UTC)
- @Otvm: sorry for the late answer. Do you have any experience with the
- @NeoMahler: That looks less confusing. I think it would be a better alternative to leaving it blank, and it looks somewhat less strange than the little thing in the corner. The only problem is title automation. Would we create separate pages under the featured article pages which contain only the title, or would we change it each month by editing it? Is there any other alternative?
From ancient history to the present, many cultures around the world that have established gender-variant identities worldwide, some of which are accepted as an essential part of their societies. These are the gender identities and roles that Western anthropologists have called third gender, because they are different than the Western gender binary idea of cisgender, heterosexual, masculine men and feminine women. Identities that have been called "third gender" are often transgender and nonbinary, and the "third gender" label pushes that interpretation. However, many of the identities that anthropologists call third gender are not nonbinary identities. This is part of why "third gender" is a problematic colonialist label. It can also be colonialist and problematic to call these identities by outside labels such as "transgender" and "nonbinary," in cases where the people in question haven't said that they would call themselves by those words.
"Promotion"
I have doubts about the subtitle "The wiki dedicated to the promotion of nonbinary gender identities". Is this a sort of lifestyle we can "promote"? I don't think so. A gender identity is something people just have, it needs no promotion and cannot seriously be promoted. I think that this wiki should be "The wiki dedicated to the promotion of knowledge about nonbinary gender identities". Wolle (talk) 17:24, 28 April 2018 (UTC)
- @Wolle: thanks for pointing it out. When I wrote that sentence I meant promotion of knowledge, but I didn't like how it sounded so I made it shorter. I didn't realise it could be misunderstood. I have changed it to simply "The wiki dedicated to nonbinary gender identities". Does it sound better to you? --NeoMahler (talk) 17:55, 28 April 2018 (UTC)