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{{ping|Sekhet}} I'm not sure I understand this page. Most celebrities are not nonbinary, so it makes more sense to document those who are, I think. If the sole purpose of this page is to make sure that we don't forget that these two people are not actually nb, maybe we could move them to the talk page of [[Notable nonbinary people]] instead? --[[User:Ondo|Ondo]] ([[User talk:Ondo|talk]]) 21:43, 6 December 2019 (UTC) | {{ping|Sekhet}} I'm not sure I understand this page. Most celebrities are not nonbinary, so it makes more sense to document those who are, I think. If the sole purpose of this page is to make sure that we don't forget that these two people are not actually nb, maybe we could move them to the talk page of [[Notable nonbinary people]] instead? --[[User:Ondo|Ondo]] ([[User talk:Ondo|talk]]) 21:43, 6 December 2019 (UTC) | ||
: {{ping|Ondo}} I understand the confusion, since the premise seems odd, so perhaps we can work toward making it seem more reasonable. Naturally, this page can't be a list of all famous people who aren't nonbinary, because that would be virtually everybody. I considered stating so in the introductory paragraph, but I thought it was obvious. The purpose of the page is for people who the media described as nonbinary at one time, either because they formerly identified that way, or because they were misrepresented as being nonbinary. The explanation that they're not nonbinary is important enough that it shouldn't be relegated to a talk page, because there are a lot of news articles that other well-meaning editors could cite that say that these people are nonbinary. I believe that we need to bring more attention to the situation of how there are famous people who formerly identified as nonbinary or who were misrepresented as nonbinary, because it helps shed light on the level of accuracy and quality of scholarship that we seek in the [[notable nonbinary people]] article. The situation with Billy Dee Williams shows a trend for journalists to sensationalize vague remarks as if a celebrity had "come out as nonbinary" when they hadn't at all. I have a hunch that problems like what happened to Williams is going to become more common now that nonbinary people are becoming more visible. Having a dedicated article for that problem will help us address it as it happens in the news. Having an article about such people also helps prevent well-meaning editors from overlooking a mere talk page and repeatedly trying to add these people back in as notable nonbinary people, not realizing that the news articles they're citing are out-of-date or incorrect. Since we used to have an article here about Andreja Pejić, I wanted to redirect that article to this article, rather than to a talk page, if it's even possible to redirect a page to a talk page. -[[User:Sekhet|Sekhet]] ([[User talk:Sekhet|talk]]) 06:06, 7 December 2019 (UTC) | : {{ping|Ondo}} I understand the confusion, since the premise seems odd, so perhaps we can work toward making it seem more reasonable. Naturally, this page can't be a list of all famous people who aren't nonbinary, because that would be virtually everybody. I considered stating so in the introductory paragraph, but I thought it was obvious. The purpose of the page is for people who the media described as nonbinary at one time, either because they formerly identified that way, or because they were misrepresented as being nonbinary. The explanation that they're not nonbinary is important enough that it shouldn't be relegated to a talk page, because there are a lot of news articles that other well-meaning editors could cite that say that these people are nonbinary. I believe that we need to bring more attention to the situation of how there are famous people who formerly identified as nonbinary or who were misrepresented as nonbinary, because it helps shed light on the level of accuracy and quality of scholarship that we seek in the [[notable nonbinary people]] article. The situation with Billy Dee Williams shows a trend for journalists to sensationalize vague remarks as if a celebrity had "come out as nonbinary" when they hadn't at all. I have a hunch that problems like what happened to Williams is going to become more common now that nonbinary people are becoming more visible. Having a dedicated article for that problem will help us address it as it happens in the news. Having an article about such people also helps prevent well-meaning editors from overlooking a mere talk page and repeatedly trying to add these people back in as notable nonbinary people, not realizing that the news articles they're citing are out-of-date or incorrect. Since we used to have an article here about Andreja Pejić, I wanted to redirect that article to this article, rather than to a talk page, if it's even possible to redirect a page to a talk page. -[[User:Sekhet|Sekhet]] ([[User talk:Sekhet|talk]]) 06:06, 7 December 2019 (UTC) | ||