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This is the place where discussion between Nonbinary Wiki editors happens. Although this page can be very useful to keep track of important decisions, we also have a Discord server with some of our editors (and readers). You can join us!

Previous discussions are archived in Nonbinary Wiki:General discussion/Archive 1 (2020-04-08).

92.0.115.80 (talkcontribs)

Most Western societies are biased towards masculinity, regardless of who it comes from. This is why tomboys are generally applauded whilst feminine boys are more likely to be isolated and bullied (please note that this is a generalisation, not a dismissal of your personal experience of gender roles).This is the main reason for trans misogyny and 'afab privilege'. Obviously trans-friendly places often try to compensate for this. As an agender teenager who falls on the feminine side of androgyny, I've noticed that many trans and nonbinary focused groups such as Tumblr and the Nonbinary Wiki seem to be slightly biased towards femmes. There are a disproportionate amount of positivity posts towards ɡender-nonconforminɡ trans boys and all trans ɡirl posts seem to assume a stereotypical 'wants to be a princess story'. ɪ'm obviously not a professional but if any butch enbies on the Wiki have noticed anything like this I think it would be at least an interesting discussion point.

Ondo (talkcontribs)

Hi! Thanks for sharing your thoughts. The wiki is edited by volunteers who choose their topics of interest, so biases are (unfortunately) expected. You can see an example of this in the article hormone therapy, which I recently wrote but could really complete the section relevant to transmasculine people. Hormone therapy is generally a topic that is not of my interest, and researching about transmasculine transition was outright boring to me (I'm AMAB, although not really feminine). This happens with many articles, and it's an issue with being a project 100% written by volunteers.

That being said, do you have any suggestions for improvement? We can't completely fix this issue, but I'm sure that we can definitely improve. And I'm open to all feedback! :)

Feel free to join our Discord server too (and, if you prefer to keep the discussion here, I recommend you create an account, so that we can better identify your messages!)

92.0.115.80 (talkcontribs)

OP here, Wow! That was a quick response. I think you may have misunderstood the problem I was referring to. It's less a matter of bias towards the transfeminine, as it is towards the trans* who happen to be feminine. I.e. it is a matter of presentation rather than identity. I.e. the bias is towards feminine trans guys feminine trans girls and women, feminine enbies... Clearly it's not the biggest problem facing the nonbinary community, it's not even the biggest problem coming from within the nonbinary community but it is still something that should probably be recognised. The only example that comes to mind right now is there being separate flags for femme transmasc and butch transmasc whilst every variation of trans girl/woman I've seen contains pink. I know that it is unrealistic to expect this to disappear overnight but like I said before; it's something that could stand to be more widely recognised as a thing and at the very least it could be an interesting discussion point.

Ondo (talkcontribs)

Oh, yes, I get it, you're talking about the stereotypical nonbinary person. We can't do anything on the wiki other than making sure that the articles about presentation cover all sides equally. We just take the information out there and put it here, so if flags have pink, then they will have pink here too, and there's nothing we can do about it!

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Disabling anonymous edits

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Summary by Ondo

After some spam due to AbuseFilter not working with Flow by default, the situation seems to have stabilised.

Ondo (talkcontribs)

Hi all,

I have just disabled anonymous edits (i.e. coming from people without an account) as an emergency measure, since the automated Abuse Filter does not seem to work with Flow. Just today we had three spammers create threads in talk pages that would normally have been caught by the Filter. I will try to find a solution, but we will probably have to either get more people who can monitor recent changes and delete spam posts or keep editing to accounts only.

This wouldn't actually be a big change, since account creation is still open to anyone and most anonymous edits have always been spambots or trolls anyway. Let me know your thoughts!

Ondo (talkcontribs)

I have given back the edit, createpage, and createtalk permissions to anonymous users because I've found a way to have the AbuseFilter catch edits to Flow boards. I think global filters are still not with Flow, but at least we have more control than I previously thought.

Ondo (talkcontribs)

Another update: I've removed the createtalk permission from anonymous users because apparently the new filter is not enough. For now they still can edit regular articles, but I'm not sure how this interacts with Flow exactly, so if spam continues I'll completely remove editing abilities from anonymous users.

Summary by Ondo

Notice templates have been renovated.

Ondo (talkcontribs)

Hi!

I've been working on changing the way article message templates look (and also structuring them in a better way). By "article message templates" I mean templates like {{WIP}} or {{notability}}, which add a small banner to the article giving the reader/editor some information about the article's state.

Check out User:Ondo/templates, where I've laid out three different styles (with four examples). I personally prefer style 1, but let me know your opinions! I have also structured how each of the four colors should be used, feel free to suggest any changes. I will make the changes in a week (or if most active users answer this post, whatever comes first).

Thank you!

Amazingakita (talkcontribs)

i like style 1, followed by style 3. I thing for readability and the like we should go with 1

Falkirks (talkcontribs)

I strongly prefer style 1. It looks clean and easy to read. The other two have questionable contrast.

Mossi (talkcontribs)

I'd go with 1, it's nice and tidy. I also like 3 but it would need a lighter background to work better.

Ondo (talkcontribs)

@Mossi The colors can all be tweaked, of course. I've made both style 2 and 3 lighter, let me know what you think now!

Mossi (talkcontribs)

Sorry im awnsering late but i really like all of them now! Maybe even like 2 more than 3 but yeah the first one is still the sharpest and would be my choice.

Bean3000 (talkcontribs)

I prefer style 1.

TXJ (talkcontribs)

I like style 1 as well.

Ondo (talkcontribs)

Done! I have renovated all of these templates and also categorised them under Category:Notice templates for better organisation.

Welcome to the new discussion system!

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Ondo (talkcontribs)

All talk pages in this wiki have been migrated from wikitext to Flow (which is the system you see right in this page). Flow has not been enabled in any page that was already created, so if you want your personal talk page to be migrated to Flow, let me know with an answer to this topic and I'll do it (all previous wikitext messages will be moved to an archive). Let me know if you have any questions!

Pod the Elder (talkcontribs)

I'm really liking how flow works - this is great Ondo!

Ondo (talkcontribs)

Le me know if you want it enabled in your talk page!

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