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Some people who call themselves androgynes identify with [[androgyny]] as a gender presentation, or have or wish to obtain an androgynous, 'in between', or neutral body, others see this as only a matter of gender identity and may express their androgynous gender through their personality or activities such as [[Clothing|crossdressing]]. | Some people who call themselves androgynes identify with [[androgyny]] as a gender presentation, or have or wish to obtain an androgynous, 'in between', or neutral body, others see this as only a matter of gender identity and may express their androgynous gender through their personality or activities such as [[Clothing|crossdressing]]. | ||
Some use the word androgyne to mean only a gender identity, and use the words androgynous or androgyny for gender expression.<ref>''Androgyne Online.'' [http://androgyne.0catch.com/ http://androgyne.0catch.com/] [https://web.archive.org/web/20200206175358/http://androgyne.0catch.com | Some use the word androgyne to mean only a gender identity, and use the words androgynous or androgyny for gender expression.<ref>''Androgyne Online.'' [https://web.archive.org/web/20110425144426/http://androgyne.0catch.com/ https://web.archive.org/web/20110425144426/http://androgyne.0catch.com/] [https://web.archive.org/web/20200206175358/http://androgyne.0catch.com/ Archived] on 17 July 2023</ref> An androgyne may or may not look androgynous. Someone who looks androgynous may or may not be an androgyne. A "psychological androgyne" is one term for a person who has an androgynous gender identity, but doesn't necessarily look androgynous,<ref>''Androgyne Online.'' [https://web.archive.org/web/20110425144426/http://androgyne.0catch.com/ https://web.archive.org/web/20110425144426/http://androgyne.0catch.com/] [https://web.archive.org/web/20200206175358/http://androgyne.0catch.com/ Archived] on 17 July 2023</ref> and some such people have created the word "androgyneity" for their inner androgyny, to distinguish it from outward androgyny of appearance.<ref>Stephe, "Psychological androgynes." ''Androgyne Online.'' 2013. [http://androgyne.0catch.com/psych.htm http://androgyne.0catch.com/psych.htm] [https://web.archive.org/web/20190929154955/http://androgyne.0catch.com/psych.htm Archived] on 17 July 2023</ref> These terms are useful for people who feel they are androgynes, but aren't sure if they can call themselves so, because of how they look. The connection between androgyny and androgynes can cause frustration for some people: | ||
<blockquote>"Those born with androgynous looks -- especially if they are not androgynes -- often wish that their gender presentation was unambiguous so as to not be teased, harassed or mistaken for the opposite sex, while androgynes born without androgynous looks (i.e. psychological androgynes) often wish that their gender presentation was markedly ambiguous so as to convey outwardly what they feel inwardly."<ref>''Androgyne Online.'' [http://androgyne.0catch.com/ http://androgyne.0catch.com/] [https://web.archive.org/web/20200206175358/http://androgyne.0catch.com | <blockquote>"Those born with androgynous looks -- especially if they are not androgynes -- often wish that their gender presentation was unambiguous so as to not be teased, harassed or mistaken for the opposite sex, while androgynes born without androgynous looks (i.e. psychological androgynes) often wish that their gender presentation was markedly ambiguous so as to convey outwardly what they feel inwardly."<ref>''Androgyne Online.'' [https://web.archive.org/web/20110425144426/http://androgyne.0catch.com/ https://web.archive.org/web/20110425144426/http://androgyne.0catch.com/] [https://web.archive.org/web/20200206175358/http://androgyne.0catch.com/ Archived] on 17 July 2023</ref></blockquote> | ||
Androgynes who don't look androgynous may wish they looked more androgynous, while non-androgynes who look androgynous may wish they looked less androgynous. | Androgynes who don't look androgynous may wish they looked more androgynous, while non-androgynes who look androgynous may wish they looked less androgynous. | ||
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On the other hand, some [[androgyny|androgynously presenting]] people only use 'androgyne' for their presentation, while having a different gender identity. For example '[[genderqueer]] androgyne' or '[[agender]] androgyne', similar to how one may say 'genderqueer woman'. There are also people who describe themselves as a "masculine androgyne" (on the female-to-male or trans masculine spectrum) or a "feminine androgyne" (on the male-to-female or trans feminine spectrum) meaning that they almost but not quite fit into that part of the gender binary.<ref>Raven Kaldera, "Feminist On Testosterone: The View From An Intersexual FTM." February 2003. [http://www.ravenkaldera.org/gender-archive/feminist-on-testosterone.html http://www.ravenkaldera.org/gender-archive/feminist-on-testosterone.html]</ref> | On the other hand, some [[androgyny|androgynously presenting]] people only use 'androgyne' for their presentation, while having a different gender identity. For example '[[genderqueer]] androgyne' or '[[agender]] androgyne', similar to how one may say 'genderqueer woman'. There are also people who describe themselves as a "masculine androgyne" (on the female-to-male or trans masculine spectrum) or a "feminine androgyne" (on the male-to-female or trans feminine spectrum) meaning that they almost but not quite fit into that part of the gender binary.<ref>Raven Kaldera, "Feminist On Testosterone: The View From An Intersexual FTM." February 2003. [http://www.ravenkaldera.org/gender-archive/feminist-on-testosterone.html http://www.ravenkaldera.org/gender-archive/feminist-on-testosterone.html]</ref> | ||
Some androgynes don't think of themselves as transgender or transsexual ([[cisgender]]). Some transgender or transsexual androgynes go on a physical transition to make their body more androgynous.<ref>''Androgyne Online.'' [http://androgyne.0catch.com/ http://androgyne.0catch.com/] [https://web.archive.org/web/20200206175358/http://androgyne.0catch.com | Some androgynes don't think of themselves as transgender or transsexual ([[cisgender]]). Some transgender or transsexual androgynes go on a physical transition to make their body more androgynous.<ref>''Androgyne Online.'' [https://web.archive.org/web/20110425144426/http://androgyne.0catch.com/ https://web.archive.org/web/20110425144426/http://androgyne.0catch.com/] [https://web.archive.org/web/20200206175358/http://androgyne.0catch.com/ Archived] on 17 July 2023</ref> | ||
==Androgynes and intersex== | ==Androgynes and intersex== | ||
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That said, there is a relationship between a person's sex and gender, and the connection between intersex and androgyne might not end there: | That said, there is a relationship between a person's sex and gender, and the connection between intersex and androgyne might not end there: | ||
<blockquote>"Androgyneity [sic, meaning androgyny of gender identity, rather than of gender expression], when conceptualized as [[intergender]], can be seen as the psychological counterpart to intersex. Androgynes are intermediate in gender, while intersex(ed) folks are sexually intermediate. [...] some intersex activists opine that androgynes have intersex brains (and that [[transsexual|transsexuals]] are intersex on account of the relationship between their brains and their genitalia)."<ref>''Androgyne Online.'' [http://androgyne.0catch.com/ http://androgyne.0catch.com/] [https://web.archive.org/web/20200206175358/http://androgyne.0catch.com | <blockquote>"Androgyneity [sic, meaning androgyny of gender identity, rather than of gender expression], when conceptualized as [[intergender]], can be seen as the psychological counterpart to intersex. Androgynes are intermediate in gender, while intersex(ed) folks are sexually intermediate. [...] some intersex activists opine that androgynes have intersex brains (and that [[transsexual|transsexuals]] are intersex on account of the relationship between their brains and their genitalia)."<ref>''Androgyne Online.'' [https://web.archive.org/web/20110425144426/http://androgyne.0catch.com/ https://web.archive.org/web/20110425144426/http://androgyne.0catch.com/] [https://web.archive.org/web/20200206175358/http://androgyne.0catch.com/ Archived] on 17 July 2023</ref></blockquote> | ||
There may be a connection between intersex conditions and not only androgyne gender identities, but transgender identities of many kinds. This is not known for certain at this time. | There may be a connection between intersex conditions and not only androgyne gender identities, but transgender identities of many kinds. This is not known for certain at this time. | ||
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==Similar genders== | ==Similar genders== | ||
The etymology of the word "androgyne" describes a mix of male and female, although it is just as often used to mean an absence of male or female traits. A person who feels they are neither female nor male might find a different word suits them better, such as [[neutrois]], [[aporagender]], or [[maverique]]. A person who feels they are neither female nor male, and are completely genderless, might find that [[agender]] is a word that fits them better. There is another concern about the etymology of the word. Some people with nonbinary gender identities who could call themselves androgynes prefer not to, giving the concern that the word "androgyne reinforces the gender binary by invoking the two polar [binary] genders in its very name. Some genderqueer and gender variant folk say that there are as many genders as there are stars in the sky."<ref>"Androgyne Online." [http://androgyne.0catch.com/ http://androgyne.0catch.com/] [https://web.archive.org/web/20200206175358/http://androgyne.0catch.com | The etymology of the word "androgyne" describes a mix of male and female, although it is just as often used to mean an absence of male or female traits. A person who feels they are neither female nor male might find a different word suits them better, such as [[neutrois]], [[aporagender]], or [[maverique]]. A person who feels they are neither female nor male, and are completely genderless, might find that [[agender]] is a word that fits them better. There is another concern about the etymology of the word. Some people with nonbinary gender identities who could call themselves androgynes prefer not to, giving the concern that the word "androgyne reinforces the gender binary by invoking the two polar [binary] genders in its very name. Some genderqueer and gender variant folk say that there are as many genders as there are stars in the sky."<ref>"Androgyne Online." [https://web.archive.org/web/20110425144426/http://androgyne.0catch.com/ https://web.archive.org/web/20110425144426/http://androgyne.0catch.com/] [https://web.archive.org/web/20200206175358/http://androgyne.0catch.com/ Archived] on 17 July 2023</ref> For this reason, androgyne isn't as good of an umbrella term as "nonbinary." That said, anyone who wishes to call themself an androgyne has the right to do so. | ||
Like androgyne, [[intergender]] is a gender identity that is in the middle between the binary genders of female and male, and may be a mix of both. Intergender people may or may not give an androgynous gender expression. One difference is that some intergender people argue that it is an identity label that only intersex people should take up. | Like androgyne, [[intergender]] is a gender identity that is in the middle between the binary genders of female and male, and may be a mix of both. Intergender people may or may not give an androgynous gender expression. One difference is that some intergender people argue that it is an identity label that only intersex people should take up. | ||
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===External links=== | ===External links=== | ||
*[http://gender.wikia.com/wiki/Androgyne Gender Wiki's Androgyne article] | *[http://gender.wikia.com/wiki/Androgyne Gender Wiki's Androgyne article] | ||
*[http://androgyne.0catch.com/ Androgyne Online] | *[https://web.archive.org/web/20110425144426/http://androgyne.0catch.com/ Androgyne Online] | ||
*[http://practicalandrogyny.com/raq/ Androgyny RAQ] (Archive of a 1990s website) | *[http://practicalandrogyny.com/raq/ Androgyny RAQ] (Archive of a 1990s website) | ||
*[http://practicalandrogyny.com/ Practical Androgyny] | *[http://practicalandrogyny.com/ Practical Androgyny] | ||