Talk:Books

Links

How do we want to link sources to this part of the wiki? When I added a book I just linked it to goodreads so people can see what the book was about. Would a link to review sites like goodreads be the way we link books?

I decided against linking to stores to avoid directing people to a specific way to buy the book like Amazon or Barnes & Noble. But there will be books that may not be reviewed on goodreads, like academic texts discussing gender theory or something.

What do you think?

--Bean3000 (talk) 04:12, 3 April 2020 (UTC)

@Bean3000: this page managed to go under my radar somehow. Instead of the table I would use a list and then the {{cite book}} template for every book, which supports links for both the book title and the author. Example for the third book in the current table:

• Bornstein, Kate (1994). Gender Outlaw: On Men, Women, and the Rest of Us. Psychology Press. ISBN 9780415908979.

What do you think? --Ondo (talk) 09:18, 3 April 2020 (UTC)

@Ondo: If we do that, we'd eventually have to do the same thing as for the nonbinary fiction section. I can't always tell what these books are about just from their titles. If we could also give a brief description, the gender of the person writing it, etc etc. We can still include the citation though. --Bean3000 (talk) 08:51, 5 April 2020 (UTC)

@Bean3000: citations are the standard way of referencing a book (not only in a wiki), so I think they should be included. But yes, a brief description is a good idea too. What about a table with two columns: citation and description? --Ondo (talk) 09:44, 5 April 2020 (UTC)

@Ondo: The citation and description format will probably be the best way to go forward, I agree. --Bean3000 (talk) 21:35, 5 April 2020 (UTC)

@Bean3000: cool! Let me know if you need help. The issue with ISBNs not working with Citoid was just fixed, which means that if you know the ISBN you should be able to generate a fully-formatted reference for most published books by using the Cite button on the toolbar. --Ondo (talk) 15:46, 6 April 2020 (UTC)

@Ondo: Weird development haha. I used the cite button, and it does provide a citation. But the links it makes don't go anywhere. Unless I make it a reference, which when I copy and paste into the coloumn kills the link. I have no idea why this is happening, but I will be going through and fixing them all. Just wanted to give you a heads up while I'm doing this.--Bean3000 (talk) 02:43, 7 April 2020 (UTC)

@Bean3000: assuming that by "link" you mean the little number (e.g. ^[1]), yeah, I hadn't thought about that! It automatically formats the citation as a reference that is automatically added at the bottom of the page. I see that you are editing with the Visual Editor, so I don't think it's possible to easily turn the references into "in-line citations". I see it's resolved now, but for future references, you can switch to the code editor and remove the <ref> ... </ref> tags that will be surrounding the cite template (e.g. {{cite book}}). It's designed this way because generally, when you are citing a source you want it to be a reference. (maybe you didn't mean, let me know in case I misunderstood!) --Ondo (talk) 10:50, 7 April 2020 (UTC)

@Ondo: Is the way I formatted it the way you wanted it? With one section as a citation and the other as a short description? I realized I could have misunderstood what you had wanted. If so, just tell me and I'll fix it! --Bean3000 (talk) 00:47, 8 April 2020 (UTC)

@Bean3000: no, it's great! Thank you, the article looks much better now! :) --Ondo (talk) 09:37, 8 April 2020 (UTC)

I've made individual pages for a couple books (They Call Me Mix/Me Llaman Maestre & Nonbinary: Memoirs of Gender and Identity) is that okay? I feel like, especially with anthologies, a separate page is good to list all the details.--TXJ (talk) 15:26, 8 April 2020 (UTC)

@TXJ: it sure is! If there are references, there can be an article :) --Ondo (talk) 15:42, 8 April 2020 (UTC)