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    I know it can help new binary [[allies]] to say "both", but it contradicts the rest of the sentence by suggesting that there are only two genders. I think this could be viewed as sexist, even if the writer had good intentions.
    I know it can help new binary [[allies]] to say "both", but it contradicts the rest of the sentence by suggesting that there are only two genders. I think this could be viewed as sexist, even if the writer had good intentions.
    :{{ping|Otvm}} thanks for pointing out! I have rewritten the sentence, tell me what do you think about it now (I have also removed the contradiction of "their gender can be neither"). I just added "both ''binary'' genders", because while it's true that there are more genders, there are just two binary genders. --[[User:NeoMahler|NeoMahler]] ([[User talk:NeoMahler|talk]]) 23:58, 16 December 2017 (UTC)
    :{{ping|Otvm}} thanks for pointing out! I have rewritten the sentence, tell me what do you think about it now (I have also removed the contradiction of "their gender can be neither"). I just added "both ''binary'' genders", because while it's true that there are more genders, there are just two binary genders. --[[User:NeoMahler|NeoMahler]] ([[User talk:NeoMahler|talk]]) 23:58, 16 December 2017 (UTC)
    ==Featured Article==
    I think it would be helpful to give a small label showing which page the article is describing. It is slightly odd to be suddenly thrown into a description without first knowing what is being described. I have provided a possibility below. --[[User:Otvm|Otvm]] ([[User talk:Otvm|talk]]) 00:29, 1 January 2018 (UTC)
    <div style="border: 3px solid #9b59d0; width: 49%; float: right; margin-top: 10px; margin-bottom: 10px;">
      <div style="background: #9b59d0; color: white; padding: 8px; padding-left: 10px;"><big>Featured article</big></div>
      <p id="article-title" role="complementary" style="float: right; background-color: #ADD; border-radius: 6px; display: inline-block; padding: 0.1em 0.4em; margin-right: 0.4em; font-size: 0.8em;">
        [[Nonbinary identities worldwide|Nonbinary Identities Worldwide]]
      </p>
      <div style="padding: 10px;">
        {{:Main Page/featured articles/{{CURRENTMONTH}}}}
      </div>
    </div>
    {{clear}}
    :{{ping|Otvm}} that's right. Normally, the introductory paragraph  already contains the title of the article (i.e. '''''Binding''' refers to a variety of methods that...''). Maybe the article name could be added in the section title? Like the example below. The yellow link at the bottom already takes to the page, so no need to have it linked in the title. What do you think? --[[User:NeoMahler|NeoMahler]] ([[User talk:NeoMahler|talk]]) 16:27, 2 January 2018 (UTC)
    ::{{ping|NeoMahler}} That looks less confusing. I think it would be a better alternative to leaving it blank, and it looks somewhat less strange than the little thing in the corner. The only problem is title automation. Would we create separate pages under the featured article pages which contain only the title, or would we change it each month by editing it? Is there any other alternative?
    :::{{ping|Otvm}} sorry for the late answer. Do you have any experience with the <code><nowiki>{{#switch:}}</nowiki></code> syntax? Maybe we could use it to change the title based on the <code><nowiki>{{CURRENTMONTH}}</nowiki></code> output (although that would mean that, if we ever change the featured articles, we should change the code here to). --[[User:NeoMahler|NeoMahler]] ([[User talk:NeoMahler|talk]]) 20:34, 4 January 2018 (UTC)
    ::::{{ping|NeoMahler}} I think I fixed it. Do you think this will work? --[[User:Otvm|Otvm]] ([[User talk:Otvm|talk]]) 14:14, 5 January 2018 (UTC)
    :::::{{ping|Otvm}} it seems good! I have added a comment so we (or future users) don't forget to change the appropriate switch parameter in case we change one of the featured articles. Thanks! --[[User:NeoMahler|NeoMahler]] ([[User talk:NeoMahler|talk]]) 15:42, 5 January 2018 (UTC)
    <div style="border: 3px solid #9b59d0; width: 49%; float: right; margin-top: 10px; margin-bottom: 10px;"><!--
    REMEMBER: IF YOU CHANGE ANY FEATURED ARTICLE, PLEASE CHANGE THE APPROPRIATE {{#switch:}} PARAMETER BELOW -->
      <div style="background: #9b59d0; color: white; padding: 8px; padding-left: 10px;"><big>Featured article: {{#switch:{{CURRENTMONTH}}
    |01 = Nonbinary Identities Worldwide
    |02 = Gender Identity
    |03 = Genderqueer
    |04 = Genderfluid
    |05 = Inclusive Titles
    |06 = Androgyne
    |07 = Agender
    |08 = Pronouns
    |09 = Multigender
    |10 = Transition
    |11 = Cisgender
    |12 = Binding
    }}
    </big></div>
      <div style="padding: 10px;">
        {{:Main Page/featured articles/{{CURRENTMONTH}}}}
      </div>
    </div>
    =="Promotion"==
    I have doubts about the subtitle "The wiki dedicated to the promotion of nonbinary gender identities". Is this a sort of lifestyle we can "promote"? I don't think so. A gender identity is something people just have, it needs no promotion and cannot seriously be promoted. I think that this wiki should be "The wiki dedicated to the promotion of '''knowledge about''' nonbinary gender identities". [[User:Wolle|Wolle]] ([[User talk:Wolle|talk]]) 17:24, 28 April 2018 (UTC)
    :{{ping|Wolle}} thanks for pointing it out. When I wrote that sentence I meant ''promotion of knowledge'', but I didn't like how it sounded so I made it shorter. I didn't realise it could be misunderstood. I have changed it to simply "The wiki dedicated to nonbinary gender identities". Does it sound better to you? --[[User:NeoMahler|NeoMahler]] ([[User talk:NeoMahler|talk]]) 17:55, 28 April 2018 (UTC)
    ::Yes. That's the other option. Okay with me, too. [[User:Wolle|Wolle]] ([[User talk:Wolle|talk]]) 18:14, 28 April 2018 (UTC)
    == Non-binary vocabulary ==
    Hi, I was looking at the front page of this site and I thought it could use a non-binary vocabulary page right on the front page so people could easily find it. Just an idea. =)
    :Great minds think alike! Here's the [[Glossary of English gender and sex terminology]] :) --[[User:Ondo|Ondo]] ([[User talk:Ondo|talk]]) 07:57, 1 February 2024 (UTC)
    == Does anybody really use this? ==
    So many of the conversations on this site are so old, and as a young queer person I get disappointed time after time trying to find a strong online community to help me. My only IRL role models were AMAB, while I was AFAB. Older queer people, if you can hear my cries please come forward and help. Your advice and knowledge is needed, even if you doubt it. So many of us teenagers can get lost so easily, or beaten down by the world, and there is an alarming lack of safe spaces and supports for us.
    :{{ping|Kitty Kat}} Hi! The wiki is in constant development, yes! Talk pages don't see much activity because the wiki is not a forum and most conversations happen in our Discord server. If you want, you can join us here: {{discord link}}. --[[User:Ondo|Ondo]] ([[User talk:Ondo|talk]]) 12:33, 14 January 2025 (UTC)

    Latest revision as of 12:33, 14 January 2025

    Front page is confusing!

    Hello. :) I'm thinking the front page is not very introductory - it doesn't suck you into a wiki rabbit hole like every wiki should! It needs more links to other pages and sections. I think perhaps a link to Special:WantedPages and maybe Category:Nonbinary identities might be a good start? --Cassolotl (talk) 01:36, 20 March 2017 (UTC)

    I also just created style guide, which should probably be somewhere obvious, unless folks want to wait until it's a bit more fleshed out? --Cassolotl (talk) 02:03, 20 March 2017 (UTC)

    Cassolotl: I started making a nicer design for the main page here, using the color scheme of the non-binary flag. I have incorporated your changes there, tell me what do you think! There's just one thing I don't like: new users or casual visitors don't need a list of templates. Templates are just maintenance stuff, that can attract potential editors, but they shouldn't be in the main page. --NeoMahler (talk) 15:27, 20 March 2017 (UTC)
    NeoMahler: I'm fine with all of that. :) --Cassolotl (talk) pronouns: they/them 21:52, 22 March 2017 (UTC)

    Keeping sexist language out

    I know it can help new binary allies to say "both", but it contradicts the rest of the sentence by suggesting that there are only two genders. I think this could be viewed as sexist, even if the writer had good intentions.

    @Otvm: thanks for pointing out! I have rewritten the sentence, tell me what do you think about it now (I have also removed the contradiction of "their gender can be neither"). I just added "both binary genders", because while it's true that there are more genders, there are just two binary genders. --NeoMahler (talk) 23:58, 16 December 2017 (UTC)

    Featured Article

    I think it would be helpful to give a small label showing which page the article is describing. It is slightly odd to be suddenly thrown into a description without first knowing what is being described. I have provided a possibility below. --Otvm (talk) 00:29, 1 January 2018 (UTC)

    Featured article

    People use clothes as a way of talk without words, to tell others what kind of person they are. However, because gender identity is different than gender expression, a person's gender identity may or may not correlate with how they wear their hair or clothes. For example, if someone likes to wear clothes from the women's wear department, or feminine accessories, that doesn't necessarily mean that they identify as a woman. There is no set style or guidelines for nonbinary presentation due to the diversity of identities encompassed within these terms. Clothing links and descriptions may be identity-specific as well as subject to variation by the individual. For example, a person identifying as an androgyne may not necessarily wish to present as androgynous. Some nonbinary people like clothes that don't give any female or male markers (gender-neutral fashion). Other nonbinary people like clothes that mix female and male markers (mixed-gender fashion). Yet other nonbinary people wear clothes that are very similar to either conventional women's wear or conventional men's wear.

    @Otvm: that's right. Normally, the introductory paragraph already contains the title of the article (i.e. Binding refers to a variety of methods that...). Maybe the article name could be added in the section title? Like the example below. The yellow link at the bottom already takes to the page, so no need to have it linked in the title. What do you think? --NeoMahler (talk) 16:27, 2 January 2018 (UTC)
    @NeoMahler: That looks less confusing. I think it would be a better alternative to leaving it blank, and it looks somewhat less strange than the little thing in the corner. The only problem is title automation. Would we create separate pages under the featured article pages which contain only the title, or would we change it each month by editing it? Is there any other alternative?
    @Otvm: sorry for the late answer. Do you have any experience with the {{#switch:}} syntax? Maybe we could use it to change the title based on the {{CURRENTMONTH}} output (although that would mean that, if we ever change the featured articles, we should change the code here to). --NeoMahler (talk) 20:34, 4 January 2018 (UTC)
    @NeoMahler: I think I fixed it. Do you think this will work? --Otvm (talk) 14:14, 5 January 2018 (UTC)
    @Otvm: it seems good! I have added a comment so we (or future users) don't forget to change the appropriate switch parameter in case we change one of the featured articles. Thanks! --NeoMahler (talk) 15:42, 5 January 2018 (UTC)
    Featured article: Gender Identity

    People use clothes as a way of talk without words, to tell others what kind of person they are. However, because gender identity is different than gender expression, a person's gender identity may or may not correlate with how they wear their hair or clothes. For example, if someone likes to wear clothes from the women's wear department, or feminine accessories, that doesn't necessarily mean that they identify as a woman. There is no set style or guidelines for nonbinary presentation due to the diversity of identities encompassed within these terms. Clothing links and descriptions may be identity-specific as well as subject to variation by the individual. For example, a person identifying as an androgyne may not necessarily wish to present as androgynous. Some nonbinary people like clothes that don't give any female or male markers (gender-neutral fashion). Other nonbinary people like clothes that mix female and male markers (mixed-gender fashion). Yet other nonbinary people wear clothes that are very similar to either conventional women's wear or conventional men's wear.
















    "Promotion"

    I have doubts about the subtitle "The wiki dedicated to the promotion of nonbinary gender identities". Is this a sort of lifestyle we can "promote"? I don't think so. A gender identity is something people just have, it needs no promotion and cannot seriously be promoted. I think that this wiki should be "The wiki dedicated to the promotion of knowledge about nonbinary gender identities". Wolle (talk) 17:24, 28 April 2018 (UTC)

    @Wolle: thanks for pointing it out. When I wrote that sentence I meant promotion of knowledge, but I didn't like how it sounded so I made it shorter. I didn't realise it could be misunderstood. I have changed it to simply "The wiki dedicated to nonbinary gender identities". Does it sound better to you? --NeoMahler (talk) 17:55, 28 April 2018 (UTC)
    Yes. That's the other option. Okay with me, too. Wolle (talk) 18:14, 28 April 2018 (UTC)

    Non-binary vocabulary

    Hi, I was looking at the front page of this site and I thought it could use a non-binary vocabulary page right on the front page so people could easily find it. Just an idea. =)

    Great minds think alike! Here's the Glossary of English gender and sex terminology :) --Ondo (talk) 07:57, 1 February 2024 (UTC)

    Does anybody really use this?

    So many of the conversations on this site are so old, and as a young queer person I get disappointed time after time trying to find a strong online community to help me. My only IRL role models were AMAB, while I was AFAB. Older queer people, if you can hear my cries please come forward and help. Your advice and knowledge is needed, even if you doubt it. So many of us teenagers can get lost so easily, or beaten down by the world, and there is an alarming lack of safe spaces and supports for us.

    @Kitty Kat: Hi! The wiki is in constant development, yes! Talk pages don't see much activity because the wiki is not a forum and most conversations happen in our Discord server. If you want, you can join us here: https://discord.gg/YfRtwkUYZS. --Ondo (talk) 12:33, 14 January 2025 (UTC)