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Front page is confusing!

Hello. :) I'm thinking the front page is not very introductory - it doesn't suck you into a wiki rabbit hole like every wiki should! It needs more links to other pages and sections. I think perhaps a link to Special:WantedPages and maybe Category:Nonbinary identities might be a good start? --Cassolotl (talk) 01:36, 20 March 2017 (UTC)

I also just created style guide, which should probably be somewhere obvious, unless folks want to wait until it's a bit more fleshed out? --Cassolotl (talk) 02:03, 20 March 2017 (UTC)

Cassolotl: I started making a nicer design for the main page here, using the color scheme of the non-binary flag. I have incorporated your changes there, tell me what do you think! There's just one thing I don't like: new users or casual visitors don't need a list of templates. Templates are just maintenance stuff, that can attract potential editors, but they shouldn't be in the main page. --NeoMahler (talk) 15:27, 20 March 2017 (UTC)

NeoMahler: I'm fine with all of that. :) --Cassolotl (talk) pronouns: they/them 21:52, 22 March 2017 (UTC)

Keeping sexist language out

I know it can help new binary allies to say "both", but it contradicts the rest of the sentence by suggesting that there are only two genders. I think this could be viewed as sexist, even if the writer had good intentions.

@Otvm: thanks for pointing out! I have rewritten the sentence, tell me what do you think about it now (I have also removed the contradiction of "their gender can be neither"). I just added "both binary genders", because while it's true that there are more genders, there are just two binary genders. --NeoMahler (talk) 23:58, 16 December 2017 (UTC)

Featured Article

I think it would be helpful to give a small label showing which page the article is describing. It is slightly odd to be suddenly thrown into a description without first knowing what is being described. I have provided a possibility below. --Otvm (talk) 00:29, 1 January 2018 (UTC)

Featured article

Pronouns are a part of language used to refer to someone or something without using proper nouns. In standard English, some singular third-person pronouns are "he" and "she," which are usually seen as gender-specific pronouns, referring to a man and a woman, respectively. A gender-neutral pronoun or gender-inclusive pronoun is one that gives no implications about gender, and could be used for someone of any gender. Some languages only have gender-neutral pronouns, whereas other languages have difficulty establishing any that aren't gender-specific. People with non-binary gender identities often choose new third-person pronouns for themselves as part of their transition. They often choose gender-neutral pronouns so that others won't see them as female or male.

More information...

@Otvm: that's right. Normally, the introductory paragraph already contains the title of the article (i.e. Binding refers to a variety of methods that...). Maybe the article name could be added in the section title? Like the example below. The yellow link at the bottom already takes to the page, so no need to have it linked in the title. What do you think? --NeoMahler (talk) 16:27, 2 January 2018 (UTC)

@NeoMahler: That looks less confusing. I think it would be a better alternative to leaving it blank, and it looks somewhat less strange than the little thing in the corner. The only problem is title automation. Would we create separate pages under the featured article pages which contain only the title, or would we change it each month by editing it? Is there any other alternative?

@Otvm: sorry for the late answer. Do you have any experience with the {{#switch:}} syntax? Maybe we could use it to change the title based on the {{CURRENTMONTH}} output (although that would mean that, if we ever change the featured articles, we should change the code here to). --NeoMahler (talk) 20:34, 4 January 2018 (UTC)

@NeoMahler: I think I fixed it. Do you think this will work? --Otvm (talk) 14:14, 5 January 2018 (UTC)

@Otvm: it seems good! I have added a comment so we (or future users) don't forget to change the appropriate switch parameter in case we change one of the featured articles. Thanks! --NeoMahler (talk) 15:42, 5 January 2018 (UTC)

"Promotion"

I have doubts about the subtitle "The wiki dedicated to the promotion of nonbinary gender identities". Is this a sort of lifestyle we can "promote"? I don't think so. A gender identity is something people just have, it needs no promotion and cannot seriously be promoted. I think that this wiki should be "The wiki dedicated to the promotion of knowledge about nonbinary gender identities". Wolle (talk) 17:24, 28 April 2018 (UTC)

@Wolle: thanks for pointing it out. When I wrote that sentence I meant promotion of knowledge, but I didn't like how it sounded so I made it shorter. I didn't realise it could be misunderstood. I have changed it to simply "The wiki dedicated to nonbinary gender identities". Does it sound better to you? --NeoMahler (talk) 17:55, 28 April 2018 (UTC)

Yes. That's the other option. Okay with me, too. Wolle (talk) 18:14, 28 April 2018 (UTC)

Non-binary vocabulary

Hi, I was looking at the front page of this site and I thought it could use a non-binary vocabulary page right on the front page so people could easily find it. Just an idea. =)

Great minds think alike! Here's the Glossary of English gender and sex terminology :) --Ondo (talk) 07:57, 1 February 2024 (UTC)

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-Munich, Gathering of the SA -- Speech of November 9, 1921
+== Front page is confusing! ==
-On November 9, 1921--just five days after the Battle of the Hall (Saalschlacht) where fewer than fifty SA
-Men had beaten back more than 400 communists and Jews who had tried to disrupt Hitler's speech in
-the Festival Hall of the Hofbrauhaus--Adolf Hitler addressed a gathering of SA Men. The following is
-what he told them:
-For us there are only two possibilities: either we remain German or we come under the thumb of the
-Jews. This latter must not occur; even if we are small, we are a force. A well-organized group can
-conquer a strong enemy. If you stick close together and keep bringing in new people, we will be
-victorious over the Jews.
-. We must call to account the November criminals of 1918. It cannot be that two million Germans
+Hello. :) I'm thinking the front page is not very introductory - it doesn't suck you into a wiki rabbit hole like every wiki should! It needs more links to other pages and sections. I think perhaps a link to [[Special:WantedPages]] and maybe [[:Category:Nonbinary identities]] might be a good start? --[[User:Cassolotl|Cassolotl]] ([[User talk:Cassolotl|talk]]) 01:36, 20 March 2017 (UTC)
-should have fallen in vain and that afterwards one should sit down as friends at the same table with
-traitors. No, we do not pardon, we demand - Vengeance!
-. The dishonoring of the nation must cease. For betrayers of their Fatherland and informers the gallows
-is the proper place. Our streets and squares shall once more bear the names of our heroes; they shall not
-be named after Jews. In the Question of Guilt we must proclaim the truth.
-. The administration of the State must be cleared of the rabble which is fattened at the stall of the
-parties.
-. The present laxity in the fight against usury must be abandoned. Here the fitting punishment is the
-same as that for the betrayers of their Fatherland.
-. WE MUST DEMAND A GREAT ENLIGHTENMENT ON THE SUBJECT OF THE PEACE
-TREATY. WITH THOUGHTS OF LOVE? NO! BUT IN HOLY HATRED AGAINST THOSE WHO
-HAVE RUINED US.
-. The lies which would veil from us our misfortunes must cease. The fraud of the present money-
-madness must be shown up. That will stiffen the necks of us all.
-. AS FOUNDATION FOR A NEW CURRENCY THE PROPERTY OF THOSE WHO ARE NOT OF
-OUR BLOOD MUST DO SERVICE. If families who have lived in Germany for a thousand years are
-now expropriated, we must do the same to the Jewish usurers.
-. WE DEMAND IMMEDIATE EXPULSION OF ALL JEWS WHO HAVE ENTERED GERMANY
-SINCE 1914, and of all those, too, who through trickery on the Stock Exchange or through other shady
-transactions have gained their wealth.
-. The housing scarcity must be relieved through energetic action; houses must be granted to those who
-deserve them. Eisner said in 1918 that we had no right to demand the return of our prisoners - he was
-only saying openly what all Jews were thinking. People who so think must feel how life tastes in a
-concentration camp!
-Extremes must be fought by extremes. Against the infection of materialism, against the Jewish
-pestilence we must hold aloft a flaming ideal. And if others speak of the World and Humanity we say
-the Fatherland - and only the Fatherland!
-==SIEG HAIL!==
+I also just created [[style guide]], which should probably be somewhere obvious, unless folks want to wait until it's a bit more fleshed out? --[[User:Cassolotl|Cassolotl]] ([[User talk:Cassolotl|talk]]) 02:03, 20 March 2017 (UTC)
+:[[User:Cassolotl|Cassolotl]]: I started making a nicer design for the main page [[User:NeoMahler/tests|here]], using the color scheme of the non-binary flag. I have incorporated your changes there, tell me what do you think! There's just one thing I don't like: new users or casual visitors don't need a list of templates. Templates are just maintenance stuff, that can attract potential editors, but they shouldn't be in the main page. --[[User:NeoMahler|NeoMahler]] ([[User talk:NeoMahler|talk]]) 15:27, 20 March 2017 (UTC)
+::[[User:NeoMahler|NeoMahler]]: I'm fine with all of that. :) --'''[[User:Cassolotl|<span style="color:#008000">Cassolotl</span>]]''' ''<small>([[User_Talk:Cassolotl|talk]]) <span style="color:#808080">pronouns: they/them</span></small>'' 21:52, 22 March 2017 (UTC)
+==Keeping sexist language out==
+I know it can help new binary [[allies]] to say "both", but it contradicts the rest of the sentence by suggesting that there are only two genders. I think this could be viewed as sexist, even if the writer had good intentions.
+:{{ping|Otvm}} thanks for pointing out! I have rewritten the sentence, tell me what do you think about it now (I have also removed the contradiction of "their gender can be neither"). I just added "both ''binary'' genders", because while it's true that there are more genders, there are just two binary genders. --[[User:NeoMahler|NeoMahler]] ([[User talk:NeoMahler|talk]]) 23:58, 16 December 2017 (UTC)
 ==Featured Article==