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Just wanting to document here that the diff at https://nonbinary.wiki/w/index.php?title=Butch&diff=4492&oldid=3088 seems to shift the tone of the article in a didactic way. This may not be what is intended here? The sentence "Although there is some controversy surrounding it, butch is an identity that only lesbians can have" seems to imply that some people disagree and the wiki itself is taking a side in this disagreement. Furthermore it seems a bit ambiguous (and perhaps mean) to say that one must be lesbian to be butch, but some people who are butch may not identify as lesbian (but they are still lesbian?). I don't want to make a revert as I am not part of either of these groups, but if someone else gives this a look over at some point that would be good. [[User:Falkirks|Falkirks]] ([[User_talk:Falkirks|talk]]) 16:21, 5 April 2018 (UTC) | Just wanting to document here that the diff at https://nonbinary.wiki/w/index.php?title=Butch&diff=4492&oldid=3088 seems to shift the tone of the article in a didactic way. This may not be what is intended here? The sentence "Although there is some controversy surrounding it, butch is an identity that only lesbians can have" seems to imply that some people disagree and the wiki itself is taking a side in this disagreement. Furthermore it seems a bit ambiguous (and perhaps mean) to say that one must be lesbian to be butch, but some people who are butch may not identify as lesbian (but they are still lesbian?). I don't want to make a revert as I am not part of either of these groups, but if someone else gives this a look over at some point that would be good. [[User:Falkirks|Falkirks]] ([[User_talk:Falkirks|talk]]) 16:21, 5 April 2018 (UTC) | ||
:{{ping|Falkirks}} I agree. I'm not sure which would be the best way to rephrase the sentence, though. --[[User:NeoMahler|NeoMahler]] ([[User talk:NeoMahler|talk]]) 16:27, 5 April 2018 (UTC) | :{{ping|Falkirks}} I agree. I'm not sure which would be the best way to rephrase the sentence, though. --[[User:NeoMahler|NeoMahler]] ([[User talk:NeoMahler|talk]]) 16:27, 5 April 2018 (UTC) | ||
== Chi-chi vs kiki == | |||
*''...for LGBT women who are not strictly either femme or butch, but a combination. In the 1950s and 1960s, the term chi-chi was used to mean the same thing.'' | |||
I found [https://archive.org/details/encyclopediaofle00bzim/page/140/mode/2up a sort of source for this] but it says the word is "kiki" not "chi-chi": | |||
*''"Kiki": a term used from the 1940s through the 1960s for a lesbian who could be either butch or femme.'' --[[User:TXJ|TXJ]] ([[User talk:TXJ|talk]]) 01:33, 19 October 2020 (UTC) | |||