Talk:Notable nonbinary people

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Change name of article[edit source]

Because it can be difficult to call whether someone is a "celebrity" or not, I'd like to change the name of this article from "nonbinary celebrities" to "notable nonbinary people." Then we could include historical figures and activists in it as well. -Sekhet (talk) 14:34, 20 March 2019 (UTC)

@Sekhet: that's a good idea, I like it! --Ondo (talk) 14:59, 20 March 2019 (UTC)

Question[edit source]

Is the goal to get everyone on this page to also have their own NBwiki page? Or is there some qualifier for when a separate page is merited? --TXJ (talk) 16:29, 29 March 2020 (UTC)

@TXJ: as per the Content policy, A person is considered notable and acceptable in the wiki if their identity somehow falls outside the gender binary and if some kind of media has talked about them. Social media (such as Twitter or personal blogs) are not enough justification for the inclusion of a biography. It's likely that most (if not all) people in this page can have their own pages, but it depends on the coverage by third-party sources. Thanks for asking, and for all your help to the project! :) --Ondo (talk) 16:45, 29 March 2020 (UTC)

Found more[edit source]

...a lot more listed on this page: https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:WikiProject_LGBT/PersonsByGenderIdentity --TXJ (talk) 16:59, 3 April 2020 (UTC)

@TXJ: that's a lot! I've tinkered with Wikidata a little bit and made a list filtering only people who are not binary (that list includes binary trans people): https://w.wiki/Lxn. That's a total of 607 people, which is still a lot. I'm not good enough at this system to be able to add stuff like the actual identity of the person in the table, but clicking the link that starts with wd:Q should take you to the page of each person. But at this point... I'm not sure what we should do. We can't have a page with 607 mini-biographies; the page is already long and has only 54! I see two options:
  • Turning this page into a list, no mini-biographies, just name, identity and maybe occupation and birth/death. And then each one can have their own article.
  • Dividing this page into multiple pages grouped by profession or activity (like, List of nonbinary artists and so on)
I think the first one is better, to avoid duplicate content, what do you think? --Ondo (talk) 17:30, 3 April 2020 (UTC)
I agree the first idea sounds good! --TXJ (talk) 19:23, 3 April 2020 (UTC)
Even the pared-down list includes a lot of binary people who are intersex or eunuch, so the 607 is a bit inflated. I've started creating separate pages when I can find a good source that they are indeed nonbinary. Sometimes (like with Tash Sultana) there are a lot of news pieces claiming they're nonbinary but nothing in the person's own words to back that up (Indeed, Sultana is supposedly "open on social media about being nonbinary" but I found nothing in my search)--TXJ (talk) 17:21, 4 April 2020 (UTC)
@TXJ: ok, after some more tinkering, this list now explicitly excludes people with "intersex" or "eunuch" as their "sex or gender" field: https://w.wiki/M3m (352 results). However, it will also exclude nonbinary intersex people, for example, so not sure which one is more accurate. Nothing I can do about the sources, though. It's probably better to avoid using sources that don't come from the person when it comes to identity. Thank you for your hard work! --Ondo (talk) 20:16, 4 April 2020 (UTC)

Tom Phelan[edit source]

I'm not sure if Tom still ID's as nonbinary. A 2014 interview had Tom as nonbinary, but this video interview from 2018 has Tom stating Tom used to ID as nonbinary lesbian and is now a gay trans man.--TXJ (talk) 15:30, 9 April 2020 (UTC)

@TXJ: I wouldn't include him, since he explicitly says that he used to identify as nonbinary but not identifies as a gay man. It could fit Notable people who aren't nonbinary though, which works as a list of people like him, who used to identify as NB but no longer do (even though I'm not too sure about having that page, but we have it, so let's use it I guess!) --Ondo (talk) 16:35, 9 April 2020 (UTC)

Amandla Stenberg[edit source]

has stated she wants her nonbinary identity to "stay within the tumblr realm for now" and it's "something that was very personal to me" and "I am more reluctant about opening up in other public spaces on the Internet right now" so I'm hesitant to make a separate page for her. (Although that was 2016, I don't know if her preference on this has changed or not.)--TXJ (talk) 15:13, 31 May 2020 (UTC)

@TXJ: from that I understand that Amandla was questioning at 2016 and that she prefers she/her pronouns, at least in public (and this is a public context). I suppose we can keep her in this page saying that she prefers she/her in public? --Ondo (talk) 17:43, 31 May 2020 (UTC)

Olly Alexander confuses me[edit source]

I was all set up to make a page for Olly but he says he's cis in this 2018 tweet but then again there is this 2019 instagram photo where he wears a shirt that says "They O.K./All pronouns welcome." but maybe that's meant to be allyship and not a statement about Olly himself? --TXJ (talk) 19:22, 25 June 2020 (UTC)

Genesis P-Orridge died in March this year[edit source]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genesis_P-Orridge ...But I'm too tired to edit this page to reflect that! 143.159.145.247 22:28, 8 July 2020 (UTC)

I updated it for you :) --TXJ (talk) 13:16, 9 July 2020 (UTC)